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    Re: Naruto 639 Discussions / 640 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Punisher6 View Post
    Both naruto and sasuke are getting face Palmer by jubito. Both were overwhelmed http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/639/19. If minato can't make it in time then possibly bee will, or this is where the other hokage make it to battle.
    m8 there are about 10 different ways for them to get out of this (at least) It's why IMO it was a horrible cliff-hanger. Here are a few:

    1: There's Kurama, who hasn't made an appearance in several chapters.
    2: There's Bee who's been downplayed significantly.
    3: There's Minato
    4: There's the Kage
    5: There's even Shikamaru/Nara clan's with shadow bind
    6: There's Sakura and her new sense of "girl powah"
    7: Maybe even Kakashi somehow getting out and losing his sight trying to do something with his kamui.
    8: There's the potential of it being a genjutsu by Sasuke or Jubito...
    9: There's even Obito himself fighting whatever influence he's under now.
    10: Isn't Juugo, who has a special kind of jyuubi like chakra of his own or something on the battle-field?

    Some far fetched, some not so much... but regardless, it's 100% believeable that they aren't on the ropes... if for no other reason than 'Main characters no jutsu'.

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    Re: Naruto 639 Discussions / 640 Predictions

    ok the guy has the best super duper sharp blades that can be used as deff and offence but what is he doing ? hes using his hands to grab the enemies ...
    its like having a gatling gun and using it like a club or stick ...

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    Re: Naruto 639 Discussions / 640 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by shahdan View Post
    The tailed beasts have been refereed to as Chakra monsters repeatedly. Unless, you were not paying attention. What do you mean hyper-convenient? Yes, because having the Rinnegan to summon the Gedo Mezo is the easiest thing to do or to develop Rinnegan in the first place as a mutation from EMS. When acquiring EMS alone is such a colossally difficult task.
    "Referred to" being the key right there. I'm talking about actual mechanics of their existence, which has been proven before. "Chakra monsters" is a pretty vague descriptor, but hey I'm not stopping you from taking that at literal value. Don't worry, I'm paying attention

    Hyper-convenient in terms of plot, not the hoops individual characters have to jump through for the rinnegan/control of the Gedo. Why develop a complex narrative woven around the concept of "breaking the cycle of hatred" if the actual actual solution to the current era's woes is to just kill the problem. That's an awfully convenient 'solution'.

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    That is a weak logic.
    No U.

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    If the thing has a physical body/shell, it can be killed. It's as simple as anything can get.
    And I still say that would be stupid for the same reason you're saying it's iron-clad fact. The juubi should work the same way the bijuu do, regardless of a unifying shell.

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    So taming the beasts is an authentic solution, and we all know how well all that worked out.
    Yes, it's an authentic solution. No we don't know how it worked out because it never happened. There was never a collective plan to tame the beasts in a neutral environment. They've always been used for war.

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    But killing them to finally get a semblance of peace is not a feasible option in the tangible future? Okay.
    Sure, if your version of peace is just below Nagato's. "Some semblance" of incredibly short-sighted peace. Okay.

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    Actually, you need both Uchiha and Senju Dna to control the Juubi properly. Madara explained it effectively in those flashback chapters. Which is why, Nagato's control over the Mezo can never and will never be as effective as Madara or Obito.
    That explanation was anything but effective. Nagato had Senju and Uchiha DNA, unless DNA isn't contained in eyeballs in your world. Not only that, but he had Madara's true rinnegan. You can't get much more Sagely than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    I would've preferred it if every Mangekyou only had one special technique. That Madara was the only Susanoo user, Itachi was the only Tsukuyomi user, and Sasuke was the only Amaterasu user. And then they create their own techniques later through experience and training (Sasuke's Enton control, Madara making weapons out of his Susanoo, Itachi controlling time in his Tsukuyomi...)

    Too many people are sharing techniques whether through gene splicing or otherwise.
    I had always hoped Tsu/Ama/Sus were the only three jutsu a normal MS could use, there was never an "eternal" MS or things like Totsuka/Koto/Kamui. Koto is ridiculous plot-fodder: it was only around to give Itachi a Get-Out-of-Death-Free Card. It's so powerful that I can't imagine Kishi explaining what Shisui ever did during his life with it.

    Between Itachi's "genius", Koto, Totsuka, Izanagi and Izanami, Shisui and Itachi could have saved the world several times over in several different ways.

    Gene-splicing for the sake of ability-stealing should have stayed a purely Oro thing, never to be copied over and over and over again to every major villain.

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    Re: Naruto 639 Discussions / 640 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by jalix View Post
    m8 there are about 10 different ways for them to get out of this (at least) It's why IMO it was a horrible cliff-hanger. Here are a few:

    1: There's Kurama, who hasn't made an appearance in several chapters.
    2: There's Bee who's been downplayed significantly.
    3: There's Minato
    4: There's the Kage
    5: There's even Shikamaru/Nara clan's with shadow bind
    6: There's Sakura and her new sense of "girl powah"
    7: Maybe even Kakashi somehow getting out and losing his sight trying to do something with his kamui.
    8: There's the potential of it being a genjutsu by Sasuke or Jubito...
    9: There's even Obito himself fighting whatever influence he's under now.
    10: Isn't Juugo, who has a special kind of jyuubi like chakra of his own or something on the battle-field?

    Some far fetched, some not so much... but regardless, it's 100% believeable that they aren't on the ropes... if for no other reason than 'Main characters no jutsu'.
    Or, Juubi/Tobi absorbs Naruto and Sasuke in its own body, much like what Buu did to Vegeta and Goku, and Naruto and Sasuke find a way to free the bijuu and weaken the Juubi. The whole friendship and all that shit. Otherwise Kishi will need a major asspull for ANYONE to even lay a loose hair on Tobi, considering his speed and power.

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    Re: Naruto 639 Discussions / 640 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by badluckartist View Post
    And I still say that would be stupid for the same reason you're saying it's iron-clad fact. The juubi should work the same way the bijuu do, regardless of a unifying shell.
    No it shouldn't not even close.

    It needs to be understood the tailed beasts didn't exist until the Sage created them. He created them out of the chakra of the Juubi. Not out of it's body, but out of it's chakra.

    The tailed beasts are pure energy, the Juubi is not. Energy cannot be destroyed or killed, but a living being can. The Juubi is a living being. It may have been stripped of it's energy but it lay dormant in the Moon for years, and was very much alive once the Biju began being sealed back into it.

    The idea that it can be killed is a very reasonable one and makes a lot of sense. Why the Sage didn't kill it remains to be seen, but seeing as how he was a pacifist that could be the reason.
    "The line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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    Re: Naruto 639 Discussions / 640 Predictions

    juubio has his 2 sphere things "free" and ready to shoot through sasukes and narutos head.
    he cant defend himself with them that way so hopefully we get a 1-2 of minato pulling them out and then putting a rasnengan into juugbitos back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delbi View Post
    No it shouldn't not even close.

    It needs to be understood the tailed beasts didn't exist until the Sage created them. He created them out of the chakra of the Juubi. Not out of it's body, but out of it's chakra.

    The tailed beasts are pure energy, the Juubi is not. Energy cannot be destroyed or killed, but a living being can. The Juubi is a living being. It may have been stripped of it's energy but it lay dormant in the Moon for years, and was very much alive once the Biju began being sealed back into it.

    The idea that it can be killed is a very reasonable one and makes a lot of sense. Why the Sage didn't kill it remains to be seen, but seeing as how he was a pacifist that could be the reason.
    Every pacifist character in the series so far kills. Even a big softie like Hashirama eventually literally stabbed Madara in the back. I don't see how the Sage could have started the era of ninja if he wasn't fighting the beast with killing intent. IMO, all signs point to the Sage not being able to kill the juubi. I get where you're coming from logically, it just has no more merit than what I'm saying.

    The juubi isn't a normal living being, and I doubt it follows the same rules of life and death that mortal beings do. It would be pretty anti-climactic for the progenitor of everything that is to be more killable than the beings that composed it. The Sage "created them from its chakra"- that's all we know. We don't know if creating them out of its chakra somehow imbued them with reincarnating immortality, or if that was a trait of the juubi all along. "Bijuu are pure chakra and chakra is energy and energy can't be killed so that's the explanation"... I'm just surfin' on Occam's Razor yo.

    Now, 'destroying the Gedo Mazou to prevent the unification of the beasts' is a more solid argument, but judging from the Sage's foreshadowing in Kurama's flashback, they're all definitely going to become one again. It's just speculation, but I don't feel like the juubi is going to be re-split after Gyuuki and Kurama are inevitably assimilated. I bet the juubi will suddenly become a lot more sapient with those parts.

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    Re: Naruto 639 Discussions / 640 Predictions

    You seem to forget the chakra arms....Dociman

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    I think Minato will somehow save them and kick Obitos butt a bit. Wouldnt be suprised if Minato turns out to be almost equal on powers as Hashirama, because you never know what Kishimoto is thinking.

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    So does Obito still have his sharingan ability? He could have escaped both Tobirama and Sarutobi's attacks with his intangibility. But then again, if he actually travels to his own dimension Kakashi would be beyond screwed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruhina View Post
    So does Obito still have his sharingan ability? He could have escaped both Tobirama and Sarutobi's attacks with his intangibility. But then again, if he actually travels to his own dimension Kakashi would be beyond screwed.
    Doujutsu seems thematically opposed to what a possessed jinchuuriki will do. Given how Tobi is suddenly a master shape/nature-manipulator, and how Naruto could suddenly form that one-handed rasengan at the end of Part I, taijutsu and chakra shape/nature manipulation seems to be the possessed jinchuuriki's go-to abilities. If/when he regains his composure and/or tames the juubi from within, Tobi'll likely be able to use Kamui if his eye is still intact. It's more likely that we're done with Kamui shenanigans and he'll be dead before 'coming back around'. I can't not see the juubi being ripped out of him or transferred to someone else soon.

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    Re: Naruto 639 Discussions / 640 Predictions

    Chapter 640 is out on Mangapanda.

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    amazing chapter gave me a boner/.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bromains View Post
    amazing chapter gave me a boner/.
    That's just morning wood, don't get confused now.

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