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people keep saying
"logia are nearly invincible" "hahaa no, haki power"
logias are touched by haki or natural elemental enemies
lets skip second part,which cant be changed
if a logia uses armament haki himself, he would negate the haki attack and be ethereal
Judging on what has been confirmed so far, defending with Haki against Haki is quite possible except that for all we know, hardening turns the user's body into a solid armor rather than make it even more intangible.
So, Haki-hardened body vs Haki-imbued attack= shock like a sword parrying another and the outcome depends on whose Haki is stronger (cf Smoker's staff vs Vergo's bamboo stick).
Or maybe a sufficient amount of Haki in the defender does negates that in the attack, which leaves only the "normal" effects to take place and that's how the admirals survived a confronttion with Whitebeard in the war (and how Ace got killed). We still don't know much about Haki.
Last edited by Seafarer; July 12, 2013 at 09:49 AM.
exactly what i had in mind
if logia haki > enemy haki
logia haki wins and he is unaffected
after all, haki is supposed to be the spirit of a man
It works on the bigger willpower to make a powerful Haki. Marco and Vista hasn't a Haki to rivalize with Akainu's one. The same with Vergo and Law, the second has a better one. On other hand, Edward has a proficient level on willpower enough to fight with Akainu. This kind of thing works with Roger and surely Luffy.
I dont think we know enough about marco and vista to say they are definitely weaker than the admirals. When the war started they alongside jozu were the ones holding the admirals back overall. And to boot we did see it was at very specific moments where the marines actually got the better of them. Marco took significant damage from when onigumo caught him and kizaru landed several hits on him and jozu overall got defeated when caught off guard by aokiji. Vista was perhaps less impressive however it is worth noting he fought mihawk for a while. Overall the pirates were at a disadvantage from the start, the marines as the defending side had the advantage and that became more evident as the war progressed.
haki users are useful against logia users only if there haki is strong. marco and vista attacked akainu with haki but their haki wasn't strong enough. Im sure if shanks attacked akainu with haki itll be a different story since his haki is known to be strong and dangerous. So just knowing haki isn't enough--which is seen when tashigi failed against monet but zoro's haki that was stronger did actual damage.
@Rahz: yes you are right that he can use haki, and I know that. But that wasn't the scene I was talking about (well right scene but different moment). But yeah, he did not use haki at all was wrong.
@Schabrak: You better learn to understand what I ment instead of this rampling. Read the scene again where Zoro cuts Monet in half. He did not use haki for that and Monet was having a hard time solidifying herself correctly again because she was so full of fear. He did not cut her with haki at that moment. If he did, she would've been dead before Ceasar stabbed her heart.
Last edited by Dekker; July 13, 2013 at 11:03 AM.
Last edited by Schabrak; July 13, 2013 at 12:20 PM.