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    Re: The Twelve Kingdoms - ONO FUYUMI

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    Sorry, I get really excited when discussing 12K. I'm trying to introduce my friends through the anime though.
    It's okay! It's actually nice to have someone to discuss about 12K. All my friends who I've managed to "seduce" to read the books are not as excited about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    I actually wish I read The Demon's Child before reading Kaze no Umi so I could have had the same "A-ha!" light bulb moment like you did. The connections Takasato makes with words made sense for me, but it must have been a mystery for someone who had no idea.

    It's especially sad when you consider his own family has practically disowned him. His mother was the person he cried out for when he felt homesick at Houzan, and it's heartbreaking to find out that she wishes he were dead in a monologue. Sanshi and Gouran were trying so hard to protect him from physical harm, but it ends up emotionally scarring him instead.
    Ah, but if you read it in that order I did, some things can be really confusing and kinda not making sense.

    Indeed, I'm sad that Taiki's story becomes a great tragedy. His mother's reaction only shows how fear can bring out the worst in people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    Ooh, I heard about the similarities 12K has between Saiunkoku (and to a certain extent, Fushigi Yuugi as well). In one of the afterwards, Ono-sensei mentions how there was a Three Kingdoms boom as she was writing the series so there's definitely an influx of light novels/manga/anime related to Chinese culture and mythology.
    Well, Saiunkoku and 12K are really different actually. Saiunkoku's story is not as deep and complicated as 12K, and it has many plotholes though it's really an entertaining read. Certainly, it's a lighter reading than 12K though it does have complicated politics. Oh, and it has romance. Wait... it's more like, the story starts because of romance.
    I wish I can read other chinese-influenced light novels, but sadly I don't know much about Japanese light novels and since I can't read Japanese, I depend heavily on translator's kindness.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    I agree. There's also no romance in the novels, which might be a good thing for the periphery demographic but might be disappointing for younger readers if they don't understand the heavy politics.
    But I think due to the rise of young adult novels with heavy plots these days, maybe someday young adults will be more interested in this kind of genre.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    Rikou is very handsome, and it's too bad that he hasn't made an anime appearance. In the unlikely event that another season will happen, I could see Kamiya Hiroshi being his seiyuu.

    Take your time to finish.
    Yeah, if only he appears in the anime. Why Kamiyan? somehow I feel that NamiDai is more suited to be Rikou.
    Rikou is certainly an interesting guy. He looks to be a happy-go-lucky guy, but he really does have a lot up his sleeves and he has the capability to be ruthless, I think.
    Now I want to know more about him and his family.

    I've finished it! Goodness, it's a really great story. I love how the story addresses many issues about leadership. I'm proud of Shushou. I can totally agree with her reason to go on Shouzan. Expect people to change things for you while you do nothing, and nothing will change. At least, if you've tried, even if you fail, it is within your right to expect people to do something.
    Shushou's first treatment of Kyouki... No wonder for the next decades to come, Kyouki has to put up with a lot of things. Thankfully, Shushou is a wise kid though rather bossy.
    Oh, and there's Kouya! (Kouya is one of my fav characters, you see).

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    Rokuta is definitely the more boisterous kirin out of the bunch. There are times when he does exhibit signs of compassion though such as when he thanked Shouryuu for forgiving Kouya. In response, Shouryuu told Rokuta that he should be feeling compassion for Ribi, Ekishin and the baby instead. It reminded me of Shushou scolding Kyouki for showing compassion towards the wrong person- i.e. Shoukei.

    Ha ha, that's true. The ministers treat their king and saiho in the same manner, and it actually helps Shouryuu and Rokuta stay on the same page. It's the opposite in Tai where people treat Gyouso and Taiki differently and understandably so. Both kings are military men and the kirin are children in appearance; however, the way the En and Tai courts treat their respective king & taiho are completely different.
    It really is interesting to see how kirin differ from each other, isn't it? While I remember Rokuta as the cheerful one, I remember Keiki as the sighing one.
    Well, that's kirin for you. They show compassion to everyone, even those who you may think do not deserve it.

    Well, different kinds of king and Taiho will get different kinds of treatment. that's why I'm really curious about other palaces we haven't seen. The kingdom of Han, for example. With that kind of king (I was really surprised when I first read about him, really didn't expect him to be like that; his relationship with Hanki is also interesting), I wonder about the atmosphere in his palace.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    You're right: having Taiki be the protagonist post-The Demon's Child would be tough to write, and it's probably why the novel followed the narrative of Hirose. If we're getting a new novel about Tai, it will most likely follow the POV of Risai.

    The character development that Youko undergoes is phenomenal. The way she carries herself now is so different from the way she started out in the first half of Tsuki no Kage. She became a lot more masculine, which I find pretty funny.
    Not only tough to write, but also tough to read.
    Probably that will be the case, or there will also be another POV from a character who currently is in Tai.

    Indeed. That's why I looooove character development. Well, since the start, I kind figure that she will be more masculine than feminine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    Ever since Shinchosa hinted at a 新作 (new work) being published after their version of Tasogare no Kishi, fans have been feeling antsy and are anticipating a new novel soon. The 2ch thread (sorry for bringing up 2ch all the time) is relatively active and are still getting several posts a day.

    I don't mind her short stories either, but I do wish she wrote something that contributed to the main story. The recent short stories that were published in Hisho no Tori were mostly events that happened in the past. Even a short story about Shun, which we know nothing about, would be nice.

    I actually really want to read a short story about Asen and how he felt being compared to Gyousou. It would be a great lead up to the novel that would resolve the situation in Tai, and it might also give some insights as to why he rebelled against Gyousou in the first place.
    Well, as long as she is still writing, there's still hope.
    Shun, eh? Indeed I am curious about it too.

    It will be tough I think. Asen is counted as antagonist, and so far, Ono-sensei does not seem to be the type to write from that kind of POV.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    Yeah, there are A LOT more loose ends that haven't been tied up yet. It seems as if Ono-sensei wanted to use those loose ends for other plot points after Taiki's story. As I'm looking at her Wikipedia page, there was a huge gap between 2003 and 2012 where she didn't publish a single novel so there was something that hindered her from writing anything, period... let alone a complex series like the 12K. Hopefully Shinchosa re-publishing the novels would get her motivated again.

    Ryuu is an interesting situation, and I'll let you finish Rakusho no Goku first before going further. Once again, there's no rush.
    I hope so too.

    I'll start reading that soon.


    Anyway, I just realized something after reading Tonan no Tsubasa. Don't you think it is interesting that the kingdoms that last the longest are actually those that are ran by cooperation of many people? Like in Sou, the whole family rules, while in En, the ministers (with Shouryuu and Rokuta "forced" to participate) rule.

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    Re: The Twelve Kingdoms - ONO FUYUMI

    Quote Originally Posted by yukihime03 View Post
    It's okay! It's actually nice to have someone to discuss about 12K. All my friends who I've managed to "seduce" to read the books are not as excited about it.
    Aww, that's too bad! I'm sure the fandom was a lot more active ten years ago while the anime was airing, but it's hard to find an active community nowadays. We only have this thread on Mangahelpers, and even then it's just the two of us discussing it.

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    Indeed, I'm sad that Taiki's story becomes a great tragedy. His mother's reaction only shows how fear can bring out the worst in people.
    It's sad considering the fact that Mrs. Takasato's resentment towards Taiki was a gradual process. She initially treated him kindly by offering to leave meat out from his plate (until her husband told her not to), and it was only until the rumours of the curse surfaced that she began to fear and detest him.

    If only there was someone who Taiki could trust and confide in, but it was too late by the time Hirose came along.

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    Well, Saiunkoku and 12K are really different actually. Saiunkoku's story is not as deep and complicated as 12K, and it has many plotholes though it's really an entertaining read. Certainly, it's a lighter reading than 12K though it does have complicated politics. Oh, and it has romance. Wait... it's more like, the story starts because of romance.
    I don't mind romance at all! I'll put Saiunkoku on my to-read/to-watch list then.

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    I wish I can read other chinese-influenced light novels, but sadly I don't know much about Japanese light novels and since I can't read Japanese, I depend heavily on translator's kindness.
    How/where did you read the 12K translations? I'm interested to see whether there were any changes made due to difficulties and certain limitations translating from Japanese to English. I'm sure the translator did a good job though.

    I've been browsing the Twelve Kingdoms wiki, and the information on it are accurate from what I've seen... at least compared to most fan Wikis out there.

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    But I think due to the rise of young adult novels with heavy plots these days, maybe someday young adults will be more interested in this kind of genre.
    I certainly hope so! I'd love to see more politics in fantasy- not only in young adult light novels but also in manga/anime/Western media as well.

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    Yeah, if only he appears in the anime. Why Kamiyan? somehow I feel that NamiDai is more suited to be Rikou.
    Rikou is certainly an interesting guy. He looks to be a happy-go-lucky guy, but he really does have a lot up his sleeves and he has the capability to be ruthless, I think.
    Now I want to know more about him and his family.
    *fingers crossed* I can even handle a drama CD if a re-boot of the anime is a tall order. Kamiyan is an easy-going guy IRL so that's why I can picture him voicing Rikou. I'm more familiar with Namikawa Daisuke's deep/villainous voice, but he can work too! Now I'm trying to think of seiyuus for other non-animated characters such as Ranjou, Hanrin and Asen.

    You brought up an interesting point about Rikou being ruthless. Since he's 600+ years old, I think he'd seen a lot of wonderful and terrible things that people are capable of doing. Both of us are only 22 years old, but in our lifetime we've already witnessed quite a number of human achievements and atrocities that are making headlines in the news. Rikou has been alive for much longer so I'm sure he witnessed countless events that influenced himself and how he perceives the world.

    Even though we've seen snippets of the royal family of Sou, I'm interested in learning more about them too! I was surprised to learn that Rikou's father wasn't the oldest reigning monarch so it will be interesting to see whether he'll manage to break the record.

    BTW, do you think Rikou knows about Fuukan's true identity in the Kizan short story? It was ambiguous when I read the original, but it may have been clearer in the translation.

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    I've finished it! Goodness, it's a really great story. I love how the story addresses many issues about leadership. I'm proud of Shushou. I can totally agree with her reason to go on Shouzan. Expect people to change things for you while you do nothing, and nothing will change. At least, if you've tried, even if you fail, it is within your right to expect people to do something.
    Shushou's first treatment of Kyouki... No wonder for the next decades to come, Kyouki has to put up with a lot of things. Thankfully, Shushou is a wise kid though rather bossy.
    Oh, and there's Kouya! (Kouya is one of my fav characters, you see).
    I'm glad you enjoyed it! Out of all the novels, I think this is the one that's best classified as an adventure story.

    Reading Tonan no Tsubasa provides a deeper understanding as to why Shushou treated Shoukei the way she did: Shushou went through a lot in Koukai where she faced youma and countless other dangers out of duty for her kingdom. Even though she's well beyond her years, I liked how Ono-sensei still showed us that she's still a twelve year old girl. It would be unrealistic for Shushou to wield a weapon and fend for herself considering her age and family background so that's why she needed Gankyuu and Rikou to protect her.

    I think Kyou would be in danger if Shushou was paired up with someone like Rokuta or if Kyouki was paired up with a laid back ruler like Ren-ou. Shushou with Keiki would be a disaster for sure. Shushou and Kyouki balance each other out, and it's probably why Kyou is doing well even though their ruler will forever be a child.

    It's amazing how Kouya went from an abandoned child who couldn't speak properly to an individual revered as a god. (I wonder if he'll ever return to En. ) I want to see more of him as Kenrou Shinkun in future novels/short stories, and I also wish to learn more about the Koukai village. Even if the village remains a mystery, I hope there would be a character who was born and raised in Koukai.

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    It really is interesting to see how kirin differ from each other, isn't it? While I remember Rokuta as the cheerful one, I remember Keiki as the sighing one.
    Well, that's kirin for you. They show compassion to everyone, even those who you may think do not deserve it.
    I like how a personality of the kirin is shown in the shade of gold mane they have: Rokuta's mane is a lot more brighter and warmer compared to Keiki's.

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    Well, different kinds of king and Taiho will get different kinds of treatment. that's why I'm really curious about other palaces we haven't seen. The kingdom of Han, for example. With that kind of king (I was really surprised when I first read about him, really didn't expect him to be like that; his relationship with Hanki is also interesting), I wonder about the atmosphere in his palace.
    Han is interesting because we know what the king and taiho are like but not the kingdom itself. I wonder if the citizens of Han all dress as extravagantly as their ruler. All the palaces that were featured in the anime had beautiful architecture and scenery, and I expect the palace of Han to be even more gorgeous.

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    Indeed. That's why I looooove character development. Well, since the start, I kind figure that she will be more masculine than feminine.
    I love character development too! It's great seeing the characters grow and learn how to become better people. It's possible that Youko was always meant to be a tomboy but had to repress her true self because of her strict father.

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    Well, as long as she is still writing, there's still hope.
    Shun, eh? Indeed I am curious about it too.

    It will be tough I think. Asen is counted as antagonist, and so far, Ono-sensei does not seem to be the type to write from that kind of POV.
    We know nothing about Shun or what the ruler/kirin is like so I'm dying to know what's going on in that kingdom! It seems to have closed itself off from the rest of the world sort of like Japan before the Meiji era.

    That's true. I don't think we have the POV of antagonists so far. Asen is a fascinating character because of just how effective he is in controlling Tai.

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    Anyway, I just realized something after reading Tonan no Tsubasa. Don't you think it is interesting that the kingdoms that last the longest are actually those that are ran by cooperation of many people? Like in Sou, the whole family rules, while in En, the ministers (with Shouryuu and Rokuta "forced" to participate) rule.
    Interesting observation! Although there's no such thing as democracy in the the government, I think it's helpful to have a system where different people are able to voice their opinions with the king having the final say. However, it seems as if this backfired with You-ou. It's possible that in her case, she didn't bother to weed out the bad ministers from the good before letting them run the country.

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    Re: The Twelve Kingdoms - ONO FUYUMI

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    Aww, that's too bad! I'm sure the fandom was a lot more active ten years ago while the anime was airing, but it's hard to find an active community nowadays. We only have this thread on Mangahelpers, and even then it's just the two of us discussing it.
    Phio-chan is one of those friends. Hahaha~ I managed to make her like it, but she's not as excited about it.
    Well, even if it's only the two of us, at least we have a place to discuss!

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    It's sad considering the fact that Mrs. Takasato's resentment towards Taiki was a gradual process. She initially treated him kindly by offering to leave meat out from his plate (until her husband told her not to), and it was only until the rumours of the curse surfaced that she began to fear and detest him.

    If only there was someone who Taiki could trust and confide in, but it was too late by the time Hirose came along.
    Taiki is really the definition of a tragic hero, isn't he...

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    I don't mind romance at all! I'll put Saiunkoku on my to-read/to-watch list then.
    You should! It might not be the best LN, and the story might get frustrating with the plotholes, it's really entertaining! Probably has something to do with all the comedic characters around.. The first volumes are pretty much light reading, but the story gets darker and edgier...
    Saiunkoku's anime fare better than TK, as it has two long seasons. Check them out too!
    I actually watched the anime first before I read the LN...

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    How/where did you read the 12K translations? I'm interested to see whether there were any changes made due to difficulties and certain limitations translating from Japanese to English. I'm sure the translator did a good job though.

    I've been browsing the Twelve Kingdoms wiki, and the information on it are accurate from what I've seen... at least compared to most fan Wikis out there.
    Eh.. here and there. I get the main novels from here: http://www.eugenewoodbury.com/, while the short stories from here: http://o6asan.com/. I think there are other links, but I don't remember them anymore...

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    I certainly hope so! I'd love to see more politics in fantasy- not only in young adult light novels but also in manga/anime/Western media as well.
    Actually there are quite a lot of them, if you know where to look, they're just not that popular.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    *fingers crossed* I can even handle a drama CD if a re-boot of the anime is a tall order. Kamiyan is an easy-going guy IRL so that's why I can picture him voicing Rikou. I'm more familiar with Namikawa Daisuke's deep/villainous voice, but he can work too! Now I'm trying to think of seiyuus for other non-animated characters such as Ranjou, Hanrin and Asen.

    You brought up an interesting point about Rikou being ruthless. Since he's 600+ years old, I think he'd seen a lot of wonderful and terrible things that people are capable of doing. Both of us are only 22 years old, but in our lifetime we've already witnessed quite a number of human achievements and atrocities that are making headlines in the news. Rikou has been alive for much longer so I'm sure he witnessed countless events that influenced himself and how he perceives the world.

    Even though we've seen snippets of the royal family of Sou, I'm interested in learning more about them too! I was surprised to learn that Rikou's father wasn't the oldest reigning monarch so it will be interesting to see whether he'll manage to break the record.
    Hahaha, for me Kamiyan is more suited to voice silly characters or sadists. I hear NamiDai more often in his happy-go-lucky guy's roles. One of his roles, Fai in Tsubasa Chronicle, is a happy-go-lucky guy who hides a lot of things, just like Rikou (though Fai is a much darker person), so that's why I think he's perfect for Rikou.

    I think the fact that he often travels the world and meets a lot of people only adds to his experience. Somehow I feel that even though Rikou is the most outgoing person in his family, he is also the most ruthless.

    I really hope that his family will continue to prosper... I don't want to see their family to fall into ruin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    BTW, do you think Rikou knows about Fuukan's true identity in the Kizan short story? It was ambiguous when I read the original, but it may have been clearer in the translation.
    I have to re-read the story, because I've forgotten it.
    The translation was written like this:
    Spoiler show

    And when I read further, I think they do know each other's identities. What's with the jabs at En-ou making wager against heaven and at Royal Prince of Sou killing the Sou-ou. When they part ways, Fuukan actually says that he has made a wager. So, yeah, not only they know each other's identities, but they also know that they know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    I'm glad you enjoyed it! Out of all the novels, I think this is the one that's best classified as an adventure story.

    Reading Tonan no Tsubasa provides a deeper understanding as to why Shushou treated Shoukei the way she did: Shushou went through a lot in Koukai where she faced youma and countless other dangers out of duty for her kingdom. Even though she's well beyond her years, I liked how Ono-sensei still showed us that she's still a twelve year old girl. It would be unrealistic for Shushou to wield a weapon and fend for herself considering her age and family background so that's why she needed Gankyuu and Rikou to protect her.

    I think Kyou would be in danger if Shushou was paired up with someone like Rokuta or if Kyouki was paired up with a laid back ruler like Ren-ou. Shushou with Keiki would be a disaster for sure. Shushou and Kyouki balance each other out, and it's probably why Kyou is doing well even though their ruler will forever be a child.

    It's amazing how Kouya went from an abandoned child who couldn't speak properly to an individual revered as a god. (I wonder if he'll ever return to En. ) I want to see more of him as Kenrou Shinkun in future novels/short stories, and I also wish to learn more about the Koukai village. Even if the village remains a mystery, I hope there would be a character who was born and raised in Koukai.
    Well, Shushou must be really pissed off to see Shoukei like that. They're both born to wealth, but they have very different outlooks on life.

    Well, just imagine Shushou and Enki. That will go beyond disaster.

    Yeah, I'm amazed at how in such short time (only a few centuries), he becomes something like god. I'm curious at how it happens, but I have a feeling it better remains as a mystery because that's who Kenrou Shinkun is. A mystery.
    Kouya might return. Remember the promise En-ou make to him? When that is fulfilled, then maybe they'll meet each other again. Though I wonder if it can ever be fulfilled...

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    I like how a personality of the kirin is shown in the shade of gold mane they have: Rokuta's mane is a lot more brighter and warmer compared to Keiki's.
    Yeah. It makes it easier to guess their personality when we just meet one. I think Rokuta has the brightest mane of all the kirin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    Han is interesting because we know what the king and taiho are like but not the kingdom itself. I wonder if the citizens of Han all dress as extravagantly as their ruler. All the palaces that were featured in the anime had beautiful architecture and scenery, and I expect the palace of Han to be even more gorgeous.
    It will be ironic if the palace is not gorgeously artsy.
    I'm even more surprised that he rules for almost three hundred years... Makes me wonder. Here is another eccentric ruler with long reign.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    I love character development too! It's great seeing the characters grow and learn how to become better people. It's possible that Youko was always meant to be a tomboy but had to repress her true self because of her strict father.
    Even though the journey through the character development is rather frustrating (I remember I was enraged at Youko for believing the water monkey), but it's really worth it to see how the characters change.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    We know nothing about Shun or what the ruler/kirin is like so I'm dying to know what's going on in that kingdom! It seems to have closed itself off from the rest of the world sort of like Japan before the Meiji era.

    That's true. I don't think we have the POV of antagonists so far. Asen is a fascinating character because of just how effective he is in controlling Tai.
    Yeah. I also wonder why they close themselves off like that.

    I'm interested to see an antagonist's POV mostly because in this world, an antagonist may not be as bad as we think.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    Interesting observation! Although there's no such thing as democracy in the the government, I think it's helpful to have a system where different people are able to voice their opinions with the king having the final say. However, it seems as if this backfired with You-ou. It's possible that in her case, she didn't bother to weed out the bad ministers from the good before letting them run the country.
    I think I remember something written about En having good ministers but bad rulers and Sou having good rulers but bad ministers.
    I think in You-ou's case, it's also because she knows little about leadership. Before becoming En-ou, Shouryuu was already a leader so he knows how to recognize the capable people who can help him.
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    Re: The Twelve Kingdoms - ONO FUYUMI

    Quote Originally Posted by yukihime03 View Post
    Phio-chan is one of those friends. Hahaha~ I managed to make her like it, but she's not as excited about it.
    Well, even if it's only the two of us, at least we have a place to discuss!
    Aww, that's too bad! I thought 12K would be something Phio would like.

    That's true. What makes the series great is that there are still a lot of topics to talk about regardless of how long it's been since the last novel was released.

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    Taiki is really the definition of a tragic hero, isn't he...
    Definitely. After everything he went through, I'm glad he was able to return to his true home. His mental and emotional strength is phenomenal.

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    You should! It might not be the best LN, and the story might get frustrating with the plotholes, it's really entertaining! Probably has something to do with all the comedic characters around.. The first volumes are pretty much light reading, but the story gets darker and edgier...
    Saiunkoku's anime fare better than TK, as it has two long seasons. Check them out too!
    I actually watched the anime first before I read the LN...
    Upon further inspection, Keiki (Koyasu Takehito) is starring in Saiunkoku too! It's funny to see similarities with the two series other than the ancient Chinese setting.

    Do you recommend me to start with the LN or the anime?

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    Eh.. here and there. I get the main novels from here: http://www.eugenewoodbury.com/, while the short stories from here: http://o6asan.com/. I think there are other links, but I don't remember them anymore...
    No problem, and thank you for the links! There are a lot of names, places and terms that use uncommon kanji so I applaud the translators who took the time to work on the novels and short stories.

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    Hahaha, for me Kamiyan is more suited to voice silly characters or sadists. I hear NamiDai more often in his happy-go-lucky guy's roles. One of his roles, Fai in Tsubasa Chronicle, is a happy-go-lucky guy who hides a lot of things, just like Rikou (though Fai is a much darker person), so that's why I think he's perfect for Rikou.

    I think the fact that he often travels the world and meets a lot of people only adds to his experience. Somehow I feel that even though Rikou is the most outgoing person in his family, he is also the most ruthless.

    I really hope that his family will continue to prosper... I don't want to see their family to fall into ruin.
    I searched Fai on Youtube, and I can picture that NamiDai as Rikou. I personally imagined Rikou as having Izaya's voice (Durarara) but sounding A LOT nicer. It's funny how we both imagined Rikou to sound like dark characters.

    Outgoing but ruthless… this fits Rikou surprisingly well. IIRC Gankyuu mentioned how Rikou's smile seemed fake. On the surface Rikou seems like a cheerful, sociable guy but there's something beneath the smile.

    Me too. Since Sou is governed by the entire royal family, the most likely situation I can see where Sou goes into ruins is if their family dynamic falls apart whether it's brought upon by themselves or other people. It can happen in a seemingly non-harmless way: one family member (but not Sou-ou) steps down by deciding to live as a normal citizen; the absence of that particular family member will create a gap that will be difficult to fill in.

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    And when I read further, I think they do know each other's identities. What's with the jabs at En-ou making wager against heaven and at Royal Prince of Sou killing the Sou-ou. When they part ways, Fuukan actually says that he has made a wager. So, yeah, not only they know each other's identities, but they also know that they know.
    Fuukan and Rikou knowing each other's identity without mentioning anything about it makes me appreciate their friendship even more. It's like a secret that's not so secret.

    It helps that their respective kingdoms are situated in the north and south so they can share details that the other may not know.

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    Well, Shushou must be really pissed off to see Shoukei like that. They're both born to wealth, but they have very different outlooks on life.

    Well, just imagine Shushou and Enki. That will go beyond disaster.
    Shushou's father also tried to protect his daughter from reality -in this case, it was youma attacking civilians- but Shushou was aware of the horrors and acknowledged it. I think Shoukei would have been in a better position after Hou-ou's death if she was a little more cynical and demanded the truth during her father's reign. It was too late of course, but she still managed to learn from her mistakes.

    Yup. Shushou + Enki = terrible idea.

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    Yeah, I'm amazed at how in such short time (only a few centuries), he becomes something like god. I'm curious at how it happens, but I have a feeling it better remains as a mystery because that's who Kenrou Shinkun is. A mystery.
    Kouya might return. Remember the promise En-ou make to him? When that is fulfilled, then maybe they'll meet each other again. Though I wonder if it can ever be fulfilled...
    In Hyouhaku, Kouya is mentioned to still be under the sennin registry of En. The story takes place eighty or so years after Atsuyu's rebellion so how he became a god by Tonan no Tsubasa is a mystery. It's implied that Kenroun Shinkun has some sort of a connection with the heavens. My theory is that tensen such as Gyokuyou are handpicked by Tentei much like how a ruler chooses the members of their court.

    I'm surprised that Kouya hasn't come back after 500 years; perhaps there's still something lacking in En even after all these years.

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    Yeah. It makes it easier to guess their personality when we just meet one. I think Rokuta has the brightest mane of all the kirin.
    Speaking of which, I wonder if white and red kirin have the same symbolic meaning as a black kirin. Black is considered lucky, and I wonder what the other colours would mean for a kirin.

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    It will be ironic if the palace is not gorgeously artsy.
    I'm even more surprised that he rules for almost three hundred years... Makes me wonder. Here is another eccentric ruler with long reign.
    Ranjou seems to be a calculating type: he was the first to come up with the idea that Taiki was missing his horns, and it's possible that he was able to determine what the strengths of Han were and how he can play that strength to his advantage. Han's artistic skills are found in various kingdoms so I'm sure it made the kingdom's economy propser.

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    Even though the journey through the character development is rather frustrating (I remember I was enraged at Youko for believing the water monkey), but it's really worth it to see how the characters change.
    It's definitely worth it to observe the character development. People seem to have a lot of issues with Suzu, but she also grows into a better person over the course of Kaze no Banri.

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    Yeah. I also wonder why they close themselves off like that.

    I'm interested to see an antagonist's POV mostly because in this world, an antagonist may not be as bad as we think.
    It's understandable that Ryuuki wouldn't participate in the Taiki search considering Ryuu's state, but it's a mystery why Shun wouldn't. Shun was merely glossed over in the Sou family discussion in Kizan.

    Antagonists such as Atsuyu and Shoukou (in the anime) did what they did because they had doubts about the existence of heaven. I have a feeling that Asen would have similar doubts.

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    I think I remember something written about En having good ministers but bad rulers and Sou having good rulers but bad ministers.
    I think in You-ou's case, it's also because she knows little about leadership. Before becoming En-ou, Shouryuu was already a leader so he knows how to recognize the capable people who can help him.
    That makes sense. Different ways of governing can work, and it's all up to the ruler to decide what works for them and their kingdom since there is no right method. (In a similar vein, there are a lot of ways to bring a kingdom down.)

    I think every ruler has the potential to become a good ruler. If You-ou was able to gain confidence in herself and learned how to rule a country, there's a possibility that she could have ruled longer than she did.

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    Aww, that's too bad! I thought 12K would be something Phio would like.

    That's true. What makes the series great is that there are still a lot of topics to talk about regardless of how long it's been since the last novel was released.
    Well, she does like it but not to the extent like ours.

    Yep, indeed the series has a rich plot and characters.

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    Definitely. After everything he went through, I'm glad he was able to return to his true home. His mental and emotional strength is phenomenal.
    However, I still have this feeling that he may not be as strong as we may think.. He may have recovered a bit, but we still haven't known how far the traumatic experiences affect him after he remembers his identity...

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    Upon further inspection, Keiki (Koyasu Takehito) is starring in Saiunkoku too! It's funny to see similarities with the two series other than the ancient Chinese setting.

    Do you recommend me to start with the LN or the anime?
    Eh, yeah, but his character in Saiunkoku is very different from Keiki. I suppose that just shows how versatile he is in voice-acting. Until now, I still can't believe Koyasu is also the voice for Excalibur in Soul Eater.

    Maybe you should watch the anime first, you might not understand some things because they're left out, but you'll appreciate that excluded bits when you read the LN.

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    No problem, and thank you for the links! There are a lot of names, places and terms that use uncommon kanji so I applaud the translators who took the time to work on the novels and short stories.
    Yeah, I really appreciate their effort to share this series with people who can't read Japanese, even though there aren't many people reading this series.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    I searched Fai on Youtube, and I can picture that NamiDai as Rikou. I personally imagined Rikou as having Izaya's voice (Durarara) but sounding A LOT nicer. It's funny how we both imagined Rikou to sound like dark characters.

    Outgoing but ruthless… this fits Rikou surprisingly well. IIRC Gankyuu mentioned how Rikou's smile seemed fake. On the surface Rikou seems like a cheerful, sociable guy but there's something beneath the smile.

    Me too. Since Sou is governed by the entire royal family, the most likely situation I can see where Sou goes into ruins is if their family dynamic falls apart whether it's brought upon by themselves or other people. It can happen in a seemingly non-harmless way: one family member (but not Sou-ou) steps down by deciding to live as a normal citizen; the absence of that particular family member will create a gap that will be difficult to fill in.
    Well, that's how it usually is, isn't it? The guy who smiles the most is usually the person who hides the most darkness.

    Or maybe like Shouryuu's theory, Rikou just have enough and starts murdering his family... though that will be a very tragic outcome and not one I hope to happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    Fuukan and Rikou knowing each other's identity without mentioning anything about it makes me appreciate their friendship even more. It's like a secret that's not so secret.

    It helps that their respective kingdoms are situated in the north and south so they can share details that the other may not know.
    It's also very funny though. They pretend to each other, even though they know the other can see through it.

    They are an unlikely pair, though rather similar in some aspects, but they sure can use each other.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    Shushou's father also tried to protect his daughter from reality -in this case, it was youma attacking civilians- but Shushou was aware of the horrors and acknowledged it. I think Shoukei would have been in a better position after Hou-ou's death if she was a little more cynical and demanded the truth during her father's reign. It was too late of course, but she still managed to learn from her mistakes.

    Yup. Shushou + Enki = terrible idea.
    Probably the fact that Shushou is still going out of her house often helps. And it's actually impossible to hide the youma fact when they also live in a place that is still susceptible to youma. However, in the palace, you are practically safe and sheltered.
    But yeah, Shoukei finally sees the world as it is, arguably in a more adventurous way than Shushou.

    I can't even imagine them meeting each other.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    In Hyouhaku, Kouya is mentioned to still be under the sennin registry of En. The story takes place eighty or so years after Atsuyu's rebellion so how he became a god by Tonan no Tsubasa is a mystery. It's implied that Kenroun Shinkun has some sort of a connection with the heavens. My theory is that tensen such as Gyokuyou are handpicked by Tentei much like how a ruler chooses the members of their court.

    I'm surprised that Kouya hasn't come back after 500 years; perhaps there's still something lacking in En even after all these years.
    You mean how En-ou and Enki are still slackers even after so many centuries...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    Speaking of which, I wonder if white and red kirin have the same symbolic meaning as a black kirin. Black is considered lucky, and I wonder what the other colours would mean for a kirin.
    I'd like to find out too, but until they actually appear, I don't think we'll find out. But if they do appear, that will worry me because one unusual occurrence (like a black kirin) might mean a great period is to come, but too many of them usually mean a great calamity is to appear.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    Ranjou seems to be a calculating type: he was the first to come up with the idea that Taiki was missing his horns, and it's possible that he was able to determine what the strengths of Han were and how he can play that strength to his advantage. Han's artistic skills are found in various kingdoms so I'm sure it made the kingdom's economy propser.
    Despite his pretty looks (I assume he's pretty), he sure has a lot up his sleeves as well.
    He seems to be a very capable ruler as well, with his kingdom being the third longest reign.

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    It's definitely worth it to observe the character development. People seem to have a lot of issues with Suzu, but she also grows into a better person over the course of Kaze no Banri.

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    It's understandable that Ryuuki wouldn't participate in the Taiki search considering Ryuu's state, but it's a mystery why Shun wouldn't. Shun was merely glossed over in the Sou family discussion in Kizan.

    Antagonists such as Atsuyu and Shoukou (in the anime) did what they did because they had doubts about the existence of heaven. I have a feeling that Asen would have similar doubts.
    Hmm. The mystery.

    Probably. It could have been something personal too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    That makes sense. Different ways of governing can work, and it's all up to the ruler to decide what works for them and their kingdom since there is no right method. (In a similar vein, there are a lot of ways to bring a kingdom down.)

    I think every ruler has the potential to become a good ruler. If You-ou was able to gain confidence in herself and learned how to rule a country, there's a possibility that she could have ruled longer than she did.
    I think it is exactly why the kirin choose them as rulers: because they have the potential to be great. But the thing is that they need to overcome their own demons, and not many are brave enough to do so, thus the fall of the rulers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yukihime03 View Post
    However, I still have this feeling that he may not be as strong as we may think.. He may have recovered a bit, but we still haven't known how far the traumatic experiences affect him after he remembers his identity...
    There's no doubt he has been traumatized, but I think the purification he underwent has helped him to a certain extent.

    Right now Taiki is focused solely on finding Gyousou and trying to get Tai back on track. When the storm has subsided and the situation in Tai is much calmer, I think he will reminisce back to the new "missing" years, which were the six years he spent in Hourai. He's a kirin after all so he will think of others before he thinks of himself.

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    Eh, yeah, but his character in Saiunkoku is very different from Keiki. I suppose that just shows how versatile he is in voice-acting. Until now, I still can't believe Koyasu is also the voice for Excalibur in Soul Eater.

    Maybe you should watch the anime first, you might not understand some things because they're left out, but you'll appreciate that excluded bits when you read the LN.
    Yeah, Koyasu is definitely a versitile seiyuu. I'm glad he was picked as Keiki because I can't think of any other person who would fit the role. The sighing is perfect.

    Thanks for the suggestion! I'll check out the anime and will read the LN once I'm done.

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    Well, that's how it usually is, isn't it? The guy who smiles the most is usually the person who hides the most darkness.

    Or maybe like Shouryuu's theory, Rikou just have enough and starts murdering his family... though that will be a very tragic outcome and not one I hope to happen.
    Exactly. This just makes me want to read a novel with Rikou as the protagonist and all the adventures he went through.

    After reading Rikou's theory about En-ou -which made a lot of sense considering how Shoryuu likes to take chances- I initially thought Shouryuu's theory was far-fetched. Rikou striking down his father/the king seemed OOC at first, but the theory began to sound plausible after our conversation.

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    It's also very funny though. They pretend to each other, even though they know the other can see through it.

    They are an unlikely pair, though rather similar in some aspects, but they sure can use each other.
    It's funny when you consider the fact that Shouryuu has been to Sou and met the king/Rikou's father at least once. There was a time when they could have met at an official setting, but naturally Rikou wouldn't have been present. However, I do think it's smart that they both stay quiet since it's not a good idea for the king and a prince to be spying on other people's kingdoms.

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    Probably the fact that Shushou is still going out of her house often helps. And it's actually impossible to hide the youma fact when they also live in a place that is still susceptible to youma. However, in the palace, you are practically safe and sheltered.
    But yeah, Shoukei finally sees the world as it is, arguably in a more adventurous way than Shushou.

    I can't even imagine them meeting each other.
    Since Shushou's debut was Kaze no Banri instead of Tonan no Tsubasa, she was was most likely created to serve as a foil to Shoukei- why else have a child queen if not to compare the two?

    She does know that Enki appears as a child so it's possible that the have met before?

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    You mean how En-ou and Enki are still slackers even after so many centuries...?
    Nevertheless Kouya should be impressed that the slackers have managed to rule a country for this long. His lecture to Shushou about what a king is might give a clue as to how he views En-ou several centuries later.

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    I'd like to find out too, but until they actually appear, I don't think we'll find out. But if they do appear, that will worry me because one unusual occurrence (like a black kirin) might mean a great period is to come, but too many of them usually mean a great calamity is to appear.
    I guess the only way to find out are by stories taking place in the past; however, I feel as if we haven't touched upon the current timeline as much. I'm still interested though!!

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    Despite his pretty looks (I assume he's pretty), he sure has a lot up his sleeves as well.
    He seems to be a very capable ruler as well, with his kingdom being the third longest reign.
    The fact that he's able to have the third longest reign speaks volumes about what kind of a ruler he is despite the odd mannerisms. It's smart of him to export his kingdom's goods and services to other kingdoms.

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    I think it is exactly why the kirin choose them as rulers: because they have the potential to be great. But the thing is that they need to overcome their own demons, and not many are brave enough to do so, thus the fall of the rulers.
    Definitely. This explains why very few rulers are able to rebound after their kirin has shitsudou.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    There's no doubt he has been traumatized, but I think the purification he underwent has helped him to a certain extent.

    Right now Taiki is focused solely on finding Gyousou and trying to get Tai back on track. When the storm has subsided and the situation in Tai is much calmer, I think he will reminisce back to the new "missing" years, which were the six years he spent in Hourai. He's a kirin after all so he will think of others before he thinks of himself.
    Hmm... That makes sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    Yeah, Koyasu is definitely a versitile seiyuu. I'm glad he was picked as Keiki because I can't think of any other person who would fit the role. The sighing is perfect.

    Thanks for the suggestion! I'll check out the anime and will read the LN once I'm done.
    The sighing is indeed perfect.

    Tell me what you think about it when you've watched it! Maybe we can have a thread for Saiunkoku LN later.

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    Exactly. This just makes me want to read a novel with Rikou as the protagonist and all the adventures he went through.

    After reading Rikou's theory about En-ou -which made a lot of sense considering how Shoryuu likes to take chances- I initially thought Shouryuu's theory was far-fetched. Rikou striking down his father/the king seemed OOC at first, but the theory began to sound plausible after our conversation.
    Yeah, I bet it's going to be the kind of novel that seems comedic at first, but the more you read...

    At actually Rikou's theory was spot on, as Shouryuu admits that he has done that, but what makes me laugh is that Shouryuu admits how the whole thing struck him as silly, so he probably won't do that again. But we still don't know if Shouryuu's theory might come to pass...

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    It's funny when you consider the fact that Shouryuu has been to Sou and met the king/Rikou's father at least once. There was a time when they could have met at an official setting, but naturally Rikou wouldn't have been present. However, I do think it's smart that they both stay quiet since it's not a good idea for the king and a prince to be spying on other people's kingdoms.
    I even suspect that when Souki declare his father as the king, Rikou... was somewhere else, doing God knows what. And he may even come to the coronation late.
    Indeed. It's interesting that they don't send other people, but actually come by themselves to see things with their own eyes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    Since Shushou's debut was Kaze no Banri instead of Tonan no Tsubasa, she was was most likely created to serve as a foil to Shoukei- why else have a child queen if not to compare the two?

    She does know that Enki appears as a child so it's possible that the have met before?
    Hmm, yes, that makes sense.

    Now I'm dying to know how it goes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    Nevertheless Kouya should be impressed that the slackers have managed to rule a country for this long. His lecture to Shushou about what a king is might give a clue as to how he views En-ou several centuries later.
    Now I really wonder what will happen when those three meet again, because obviously Kouya has changed a lot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    The fact that he's able to have the third longest reign speaks volumes about what kind of a ruler he is despite the odd mannerisms. It's smart of him to export his kingdom's goods and services to other kingdoms.
    He has such a business mind.

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    Definitely. This explains why very few rulers are able to rebound after their kirin has shitsudou.
    Ah, how lucky we are to be humans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yukihime03 View Post
    Tell me what you think about it when you've watched it! Maybe we can have a thread for Saiunkoku LN later.
    A thread for Saiunkoku sounds like a great idea! Manga is more easily available than a light novel so people might not know where to find good LN titles.

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    Yeah, I bet it's going to be the kind of novel that seems comedic at first, but the more you read...

    At actually Rikou's theory was spot on, as Shouryuu admits that he has done that, but what makes me laugh is that Shouryuu admits how the whole thing struck him as silly, so he probably won't do that again. But we still don't know if Shouryuu's theory might come to pass...
    I also have a feeling that Rikou's novel will have that tone: comedic to... something else. Even though Rikou is cheerful and approachable, it's interesting how he seems to always travel alone (with Shushou and Gankyuu as an exception). It may have to do with him being immortal and making it difficult to find a travel companion; however, his solitary travels struck me as odd for someone as sociable as he is.

    It's just another example of, "I know who you are and I know that you know who I am, but I won't say anything".


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    I even suspect that when Souki declare his father as the king, Rikou... was somewhere else, doing God knows what. And he may even come to the coronation late.
    Indeed. It's interesting that they don't send other people, but actually come by themselves to see things with their own eyes.
    I can totally picture Rikou either not coming to the coronation or arriving late.

    Perhaps once the kingdoms are stable and at peace like En and Sou, the rulers begin to concern themselves with issues going on outside their kingdom. En in particular needs to be especially aware of what's going on around them since they have to prepare for refugees from unstable kingdoms.

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    Now I really wonder what will happen when those three meet again, because obviously Kouya has changed a lot.
    I wonder about that too. Especially when Kouya has become a god and is in a similar position (?) as Shouryuu and Rokuta; the people of Koukai revere Kouya much like how a citizen of En would revere Shouryuu and Rokuta.

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    Ah, how lucky we are to be humans.
    Out of curiosity if you were to be a citizen in a kingdom, which one would you choose? Personality-wise I think I will fit in with Ren or Sou, but I can't handle hot weather so perhaps I'd be more suited for Sai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    A thread for Saiunkoku sounds like a great idea! Manga is more easily available than a light novel so people might not know where to find good LN titles.
    Indeed, and then there's problem with translation... In Saiunkoku's case, the translation is not as complete as TK. Sometimes I can only read summaries too...

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    I also have a feeling that Rikou's novel will have that tone: comedic to... something else. Even though Rikou is cheerful and approachable, it's interesting how he seems to always travel alone (with Shushou and Gankyuu as an exception). It may have to do with him being immortal and making it difficult to find a travel companion; however, his solitary travels struck me as odd for someone as sociable as he is.
    He might be afraid that he will be attached if he finds a travel companion...? And it's difficult to find a travel companion who's immortal like him, as the rest of the immortals are people who work for the government and are busy.
    Or maybe he's just that free-spirited. I can understand the feeling of wanting to travel alone as that means you have more freedom to move about, because your decision will not affect others. If you just wake up one day and suddenly feeling like going somewhere else right at that time, you can just get up, pack your belongings and move, no need to wait for the other person. When you travel with someone else, there are a lot of decisions to be made together, and that can be too troublesome.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    I can totally picture Rikou either not coming to the coronation or arriving late.

    Perhaps once the kingdoms are stable and at peace like En and Sou, the rulers begin to concern themselves with issues going on outside their kingdom. En in particular needs to be especially aware of what's going on around them since they have to prepare for refugees from unstable kingdoms.
    Or maybe he just come home, find the house empty, ask the neighbor, only for the neighbor to answer with incredulity, "ARE YOU KIDDING ME??!"

    Hmm. I see. Or maybe they're just that nosy. Hahahaha~

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    I wonder about that too. Especially when Kouya has become a god and is in a similar position (?) as Shouryuu and Rokuta; the people of Koukai revere Kouya much like how a citizen of En would revere Shouryuu and Rokuta.
    Somehow I think that Kouya is much more popular than Shouryuu and Rokuta. Probably because he's, well, a god that protects travelers from youma in the Yellow Sea (which means people entrust their lives to his protection) with mysterious background.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    Out of curiosity if you were to be a citizen in a kingdom, which one would you choose? Personality-wise I think I will fit in with Ren or Sou, but I can't handle hot weather so perhaps I'd be more suited for Sai.
    Hmm... I'm not sure. Probably En. Mostly because like its king and taihou, I'm a great slacker.
    But talking about climate, probably I'm more suited for Ren or Sou, as I've lived all my life in a tropical country, so hot weather is a daily thing for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yukihime03 View Post
    Indeed, and then there's problem with translation... In Saiunkoku's case, the translation is not as complete as TK. Sometimes I can only read summaries too...
    It's too bad because there are a lot of LN titles out there that haven't been translated nor animated.

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    He might be afraid that he will be attached if he finds a travel companion...? And it's difficult to find a travel companion who's immortal like him, as the rest of the immortals are people who work for the government and are busy.
    Or maybe he's just that free-spirited. I can understand the feeling of wanting to travel alone as that means you have more freedom to move about, because your decision will not affect others. If you just wake up one day and suddenly feeling like going somewhere else right at that time, you can just get up, pack your belongings and move, no need to wait for the other person. When you travel with someone else, there are a lot of decisions to be made together, and that can be too troublesome.
    Ah, those are good points. I have a feeling that if Fuukan wasn't a king (but was still a sennin), he and Rikou would have travelled together. If there was a fork in the road, they would most likely walk along different paths though.

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    Or maybe he just come home, find the house empty, ask the neighbor, only for the neighbor to answer with incredulity, "ARE YOU KIDDING ME??!"

    Hmm. I see. Or maybe they're just that nosy. Hahahaha~
    I can picture that scenario happening.

    I wonder if the key to success in ruling a kingdom is to be nosy. It would be cool if a 12K equivalent of an intelligence organization like the FBI can be created. (If it doesn't go against Tentei's will, of course.)

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    Somehow I think that Kouya is much more popular than Shouryuu and Rokuta. Probably because he's, well, a god that protects travelers from youma in the Yellow Sea (which means people entrust their lives to his protection) with mysterious background.
    The description of Kenrou Shinkun was that he protects anyone who enters the Yellow Sea so it's likely that he's more popular than the king and saiho of En who are only relevant to its citizens.

    It's nice that Kouya is able to turn his life around since he used to assassinate people by using his youma- it's a subtle yet still noticeable character development.

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    Hmm... I'm not sure. Probably En. Mostly because like its king and taihou, I'm a great slacker.
    But talking about climate, probably I'm more suited for Ren or Sou, as I've lived all my life in a tropical country, so hot weather is a daily thing for me.
    Maybe Ren would be the most fitting choice? Ren-ou doesn't necessary slack off (I don't think), but he doesn't seem the type to enjoy or engage much in politics as well.

    Perhaps when we get more information about the kingdoms, I can create a quiz about which kingdom would suit someone. I remember that the people of Tai are known to be hot-blooded, and I would love to what the characteristics are for the rest.

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    Sorry, I took so long to reply.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    It's too bad because there are a lot of LN titles out there that haven't been translated nor animated.
    Yeah. I really think there are some good light novels in Japan that have really good story, but because of language barrier, do not gain the attention they deserve. And sadly my Japanese is still really lacking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    Ah, those are good points. I have a feeling that if Fuukan wasn't a king (but was still a sennin), he and Rikou would have travelled together. If there was a fork in the road, they would most likely walk along different paths though.
    Indeed. They are very similar because they both love freedom and independence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    I can picture that scenario happening.

    I wonder if the key to success in ruling a kingdom is to be nosy. It would be cool if a 12K equivalent of an intelligence organization like the FBI can be created. (If it doesn't go against Tentei's will, of course.)
    I really want to see that scenario happening.

    Well, nosy to a level is actually good of course, as long as you don't interfere. By being nosy, you can actually learn a lot of things.
    I don't think Tentei will agree to something like FBI though...

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    The description of Kenrou Shinkun was that he protects anyone who enters the Yellow Sea so it's likely that he's more popular than the king and saiho of En who are only relevant to its citizens.

    It's nice that Kouya is able to turn his life around since he used to assassinate people by using his youma- it's a subtle yet still noticeable character development.
    Kouya actually is a good person, it's just that he grows up under bad influences, but yeah, it's good that he can finally live to serve a higher purpose.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    Maybe Ren would be the most fitting choice? Ren-ou doesn't necessary slack off (I don't think), but he doesn't seem the type to enjoy or engage much in politics as well.

    Perhaps when we get more information about the kingdoms, I can create a quiz about which kingdom would suit someone. I remember that the people of Tai are known to be hot-blooded, and I would love to what the characteristics are for the rest.
    We probably will get along nicely, though I have to admit I don't like gardening or farming.

    Well, the question is only whether we will ever know more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yukihime03 View Post
    Yeah. I really think there are some good light novels in Japan that have really good story, but because of language barrier, do not gain the attention they deserve. And sadly my Japanese is still really lacking.
    There are many skilled translators who work for scanlation groups, but I guess there's a difference between translating dialogue vs. translating dialogue AND narration. It seems as if light novel fans go to different websites to read different works, and it would be nice if there was an aggregated site (like Mangafox or Mangareader) for light novels.

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    Indeed. They are very similar because they both love freedom and independence.
    Yup! A short story about their first encounter would be really interesting to read. How did they meet, and what was the world like when they first met?

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    I really want to see that scenario happening.

    Well, nosy to a level is actually good of course, as long as you don't interfere. By being nosy, you can actually learn a lot of things.
    I don't think Tentei will agree to something like FBI though...
    The fact that there hasn't been a UN-like organization set up implies that Tentei doesn't really want much interaction between the kingdoms. A kingdom spying on other kingdoms would definitely be frowned upon.

    I read that our world is like the ocean where living things can move around freely whereas the 12K world is like an aquarium where an outsider (i.e. Tentei) controls everything in it.

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    Kouya actually is a good person, it's just that he grows up under bad influences, but yeah, it's good that he can finally live to serve a higher purpose.
    Yeah. He's been longing for human interaction for so long that he grew attached to the one person who seemed to care for him. It's just too bad that the person was Atsuyu; if it was someone else who raised him or if Kouya decided to go to Rokuta earlier, things might have turned out differently.

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    We probably will get along nicely, though I have to admit I don't like gardening or farming.

    Well, the question is only whether we will ever know more...
    Since Ren's king is a farmer, I wonder if the country has become agriculture oriented much like how Han has become a kingdom of artisans.

    I'd like to know what's going on in Shun at least or what things are like in Tai. Hopefully Ono-sensei can be inspired to write again.

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    I just started to get into the twelve kingdoms lately. super glad that this thread exists! however, i'm waiting to acquire the physical novel instead of reading the fan translations. however, it seems like there's no plan on the english release of the volumes beyond the fourth one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonbotomoe View Post
    I just started to get into the twelve kingdoms lately. super glad that this thread exists! however, i'm waiting to acquire the physical novel instead of reading the fan translations. however, it seems like there's no plan on the english release of the volumes beyond the fourth one?
    Unfortunately there aren't any plans to release the rest of the series. Apparently there are some significant name changes to the translation compared to the fan translations/original novels so I have to warn you about that.

    Hope you enjoy the series, and please check back to the thread!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    There are many skilled translators who work for scanlation groups, but I guess there's a difference between translating dialogue vs. translating dialogue AND narration. It seems as if light novel fans go to different websites to read different works, and it would be nice if there was an aggregated site (like Mangafox or Mangareader) for light novels.
    Hmm.. that's a good idea. That kind of site will surely help people to find more LN and at the same time, boost LN's popularity. Sadly I do not have the time or energy to make that kind of site.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    Yup! A short story about their first encounter would be really interesting to read. How did they meet, and what was the world like when they first met?
    Why do I have a feeling they dislike each other in their first encounter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    The fact that there hasn't been a UN-like organization set up implies that Tentei doesn't really want much interaction between the kingdoms. A kingdom spying on other kingdoms would definitely be frowned upon.

    I read that our world is like the ocean where living things can move around freely whereas the 12K world is like an aquarium where an outsider (i.e. Tentei) controls everything in it.
    Theoretically, in our world, countries are not supposed to interfere with other country's internal problems too and that kind of thing is certainly frowned upon by the general mass, but hey, we don't have a god like Tentei, so... *shrug*

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    Yeah. He's been longing for human interaction for so long that he grew attached to the one person who seemed to care for him. It's just too bad that the person was Atsuyu; if it was someone else who raised him or if Kouya decided to go to Rokuta earlier, things might have turned out differently.
    But I think, in a way, I think this kind of life (as Shinkun) he has now is the best for him. Sure, his past is dark but if it leads to where he is now, I don't think it's all that bad in retrospect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asarii View Post
    Since Ren's king is a farmer, I wonder if the country has become agriculture oriented much like how Han has become a kingdom of artisans.

    I'd like to know what's going on in Shun at least or what things are like in Tai. Hopefully Ono-sensei can be inspired to write again.
    If Ren is also agriculture country, then how much different that is from my country right now...?


    ...oh wait, Ren doesn't have extremely corrupted government.

    I hope so too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonbotomoe View Post
    I just started to get into the twelve kingdoms lately. super glad that this thread exists! however, i'm waiting to acquire the physical novel instead of reading the fan translations. however, it seems like there's no plan on the english release of the volumes beyond the fourth one?
    Hi! I didn't expect we're going to have another people in here, but I'm glad you decide to come here! Like asarii said, I hope you'll enjoy the series and come back here!

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