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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
So maybe what happens next is that thing that Ragus gave to Urokai is something that drives Frankenstein's corrupted Dark Spear into madness, and eventually when they duel Franky wins and slices his eye, but as a result something must have tremendously bad happened that Rai or the Lord would have to intervene to stop. We might see just how powerful the true form of the Dark Spear is at full power when Frank is fully corrupted by it, maybe it was so powerful that even the Lord couldn't stop it with Ragnarok, that Rai had to step in and use an enormous amount of power to stop it? Did Franky's Dark Spear really devour all the other clan leaders and sent them all to eternal sleep...? I guess we'll find out soon, I can't wait.
Last edited by noobkiller; August 05, 2013 at 07:53 PM.
One of the reasons I'm coming away from these chapters disappointed is that they seem like they are wasting so much time on stuff that doesn't matter and isn't particularly entertaining. Like whats with this Urokai stuff? He's dead now. How does it serve the story to give a detailed account of his backstory, which we already know the bullet points of? This new Mr. Peanut Noble and Roctis are at least are still alive but there is almost no point in spending time on the other two as far as I can see.
For a flashback I just think these chapters, and even this chapter to a lesser degree, are astonishingly unfocused. Noblesse does this with it's main story sometimes, which is fine but it's the main story so being a little chaotic with the storyline is fun. But to do that with a flashback just seems bizarre to me, and I don't mean that as praise. It's like the author saying "Hey, I have something important to tell you!" and then rambling on about mostly the weather for 45 mins. It's just weird.
Last edited by Jammin; August 05, 2013 at 09:04 PM.
The chapter also presented us a very interesting character, Lagus. He arrived with the keepsake in his pocked. At the end of the chapter the keepsake was in Urokai's hands and ready to be used in a fight against Franky. So he has all schemed even before his arrival. Like if he was manipulating the whole group with easy. Some posts before people complained about the traitor nobles being upset because of the proximity between Franki, a human, and Rai, and at the same time making business with other humans and being loyal to them. I think the chapter portrayed nicely what happens there: Urokai is the stupid, a disposal soldier. Lagus talked directly to him as soon as he was there, and pointed to the fact that he 's the most emotional among the clan leaders. While Roctis and Zarga, the non stupid traitors, know how manipulable is him, and I would say know much more of the real business between them and the Union:
Now, if Urokai can fell like repugnance towards Franki, a human, been near to Rai, Lagus has no scruples at all towards humans. He's like an only business Mafia boss. If even Roctis and Zarga can be a bit afraid towards the possibility to eliminate a loyal servant of the noblesse and someone embraced by the lord, Lagus has no doubts, and manage to get what he wanted since the beginning.
Then I wonder if Lagus is in fact loyal to those humans who gave him the keepsake or if he is also trying to use them for his selfish goals. Will he be an elder? What are his reasons to betray his race? ... Anyway with him we are one step closer to know it, and also more about Franki's personal life before he meet Rai. As well as we are on step closer to know why Franki is the greatest hindrance to traitors plan. Viewed in that way I fell we advanced with a chapter that makes the flashback more interesting.
Last edited by ukimix; August 05, 2013 at 10:43 PM.
Part of the reason for that is how much time is being spent on stuff that really should have been edited out. Franky's conversation with the Lord for example. A whole chapter was basically wasted so that the characters in this chapter would have something to talk about. Now they are setting up the fight were Urokai loses his eye?
I can't help but feel the story would have been much better off working that information into the actual narrative instead of showing it in a flashback if the result is this bogged down with tons of scenes that hold little redeeming value in order to get to the info that does.
Also, Franky himself is wondering what caused Rai to go to sleep. If he really was the cause of it, he should know about it - there's no reasonable way he'd be stopped after going crazy and not informed of what he did there.
My guess about what caused Rai to go to sleep is this:
He was introduced some few chapters ago, in an arc that is going to explain what happened 820 years ago, and which vey likely will end with a major clash between the Union and the nobles (and possibly between Rai and him). Also, I think he's a werewolf. There is an special nobel in charge of the care of all nobles, the noblesse; not going to far from the archetypical clash between vampires and werewolf, there should be an special werewolf much more powerful than all the others werewolfes, the werewolfesse
Last edited by ukimix; August 06, 2013 at 02:09 PM. Reason: it's hard to spell
Slow, slow chapter. I'm standing my ground hoping to see a brilliant end of this flashback, at least I wish we can see more about what happened to Lukedonia around the time of betrayal, about Rai's long sleep, and about the traitors. I hope this wait will not be wasted later on.
This Lagus guy reminded me of that Elder who plays around Roctis in previous chapters, lol. If you remove that ugly face a bit, making him a bit younger/better... The fact that they're working with humans is kinda a nice twist. As much as Lukedonia tried to hide themselves all the time, these leaders made deals with humans. I wonder what the purpose was.
So the Flashback is still boring. I find it kinda anticlimatic to show us a traitor who wasn't even introduced in the actual stroyline yet. I mean it would have been better if we did get to see the former clan-leaders of Ludis,Karias,Kaye,Rozaria and Seira cause they won't be taking any action in the present.
So Lagus is most likely one of the "them" that Roctis is contacting. This chapter further showed that Roctis was never really good and the same goes for Urokai and Zarga. They were already sheming things before Frankenstein even appeared.