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Thread: Collective Reading of VAGRANT SOLDIER ARES by Ryu Keum Cheo

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    Re: Collective Reading of VAGRANT SOLDIER ARES by Ryu Keum Cheo

    I can understand michael wanting to take ares with him on the quest with good old icarus however what does not make sense to me is them wanting gohu. I guess he is their friend but overall his abilities seem well below average to put it mildly. I guess icarus does not know that and whoever michael wants is probably good by him.

    What I am wondering about is just how anyone ever got to hear about kiron's apprentice. In his later years kiron spent time quietly without doing anything noteworthy whatsoever. There were no stories, no feats... just an old man living in peace in a secluded mountain. Did the red eye swordsman spread the rumors? I guess its the only alternative and perhaps a ploy to make ares stronger by making him fight stronger people.

    Another thing I find slightly weird is that michael was recognized at the darakian base. How can michael be a prince, use his actual name, and just prance into another kingdom and not arouse any sort of suspicion? He is not just some guy not standing out, he defeated belisk and that one general... Its like when people don't recognize clark kent as superman.

    I wonder if emergency food is supposed to be kiron's spirit or something. Its a weird scenario so far...

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    Re: Collective Reading of VAGRANT SOLDIER ARES by Ryu Keum Cheo

    gohu is equal to Leorio/Usopp ... A character mainly made to give a human perspective inside the manga/manwha.
    Gohu might have no real qualities but he is the more human character. Keeping such a character around you when there is war is also important for the sanity of the main trio.

    The thing with Michael is that you don't expect a prince to be in such a place. He might look like the prince, He sure don't act like one. Plus, we receive much more info than the characters themselves. We have an outside eye. They don't.
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    Re: Collective Reading of VAGRANT SOLDIER ARES by Ryu Keum Cheo

    We have seen the Kiron got a different tomb than that what Ares built for him. Possibly Kiron doesn't lie in the tomb they just found in their way back from Corinto. Anyway, beyond where he lies, the point is that even if Kiron was travelling incognito, people also came to be aware that he had died. How that happened? I guess in the same way that people came to be aware he has a disciple. I support the idea that Red Eye had something to do with it. But it wouldn't be strange if another people knew about the great Kiron living in the mountain and dying at hand of the Red Eye Swordsman.

    As for Mikael, the only chance to save that little hole is that Cygnus would have known something reveling about him in advance, like his fighting style or the grass in the mouth... Because what would be strange to me is not that he got recognised, but that, among all the other people he have been with, only Cygnus recognised him.
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    Re: Collective Reading of VAGRANT SOLDIER ARES by Ryu Keum Cheo

    Quote Originally Posted by kkck View Post
    What I am wondering about is just how anyone ever got to hear about kiron's apprentice. In his later years kiron spent time quietly without doing anything noteworthy whatsoever. There were no stories, no feats... just an old man living in peace in a secluded mountain. Did the red eye swordsman spread the rumors? I guess its the only alternative and perhaps a ploy to make ares stronger by making him fight stronger people.
    I was wondering about the same thing. It had to be Red Eyed Swordsman who started telling stories. Probably when he bragged about defeating Kirion.

    As for Gohu, I would pay to know how he passed the Temple Mercenary entrance exam.

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    Re: Collective Reading of VAGRANT SOLDIER ARES by Ryu Keum Cheo

    Well, an alternative would be that kiron did not actually kill everyone who faced him. If he left a few people alive then they would be able to tell stories of the apprentice. It would be specially relevant if ares actually left a few guys alive...

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    Re: Collective Reading of VAGRANT SOLDIER ARES by Ryu Keum Cheo

    Ugggh... I haven't had the time to read the volumes 9 and 10 this week. So I'm still at the end of vol 8. I hope to be updated next Friday.

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    Re: Collective Reading of VAGRANT SOLDIER ARES by Ryu Keum Cheo

    Here we go, Vol 9 and 10 xD

    Icarus turning the tables on his fellow generals was almost too easy, at this point it looks as if he's undefeatable as a tactician. But I really liked the bit when he talked to his soldiers individually, it showed that he cares for them.

    The Temple Mercenaries should call themselves the Icarus Death Squad xD

    I smell a future confrontation between Mikael and Baroona, they're polar opposites. Now that I think about it, they're not really close, it's more Ares holding them together like glue. I just hope this is not going to end with Baroona's death :/

    Now this made my jaw drop - Mikael spared Carnival so he could work for him!? Does he plan on recruiting Ares and Baroona too? Isiris is planning something aren't they? Good thing I'm cheering for them. Go Isiris!

    Baroona's fight was my favourite one so far. It really developed his character. For some strange reason I really liked Ouranos too. He loved being a Gladiator and fought for his audience, and he had some interesting thoughts about swordsmen's life.

    So, Baroona... he's a cheater xD I can't help but find it sexy. I like guys who use their brains. Plus, he doesn't fight without a reason. I'm really looking forward to his backstory, before he became a slave. He's pretty cold too, killing his master when he had to, I know many manga characters who would choose death in his situation :P I think he joined the fight wih Ouranos to convince him to switch sides. Not a bad plan, but Ouranos wasn't a simple guy :P

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    Re: Collective Reading of VAGRANT SOLDIER ARES by Ryu Keum Cheo

    I'm trying to catch up, only on ch 60 though..internet went on the fritz but it'll be back this weekend prob. I've been reading my weeklies through my phone so I fell behind with Vagrant.

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    Re: Collective Reading of VAGRANT SOLDIER ARES by Ryu Keum Cheo

    Finally I can post my notes on vol 9 and 10 (sorry for the delay). I will post them commenting natli's impressions too.


    Quote Originally Posted by natli View Post
    Icarus turning the tables on his fellow generals was almost too easy, at this point it looks as if he's undefeatable as a tactician. But I really liked the bit when he talked to his soldiers individually, it showed that he cares for them.
    The battle in Neflix was rather boring. After watching those powerful warriors like Cygnus and Red Eyes and all the others, this was a mere transit to something better I guess. In general I’d say for this comic: the war battles are rather boring (possibly with the exception of the tramp sttled to capture Bayern, but the 1vs1 fights are really good.

    Quote Originally Posted by natli View Post
    Now this made my jaw drop - Mikael spared Carnival so he could work for him!? Does he plan on recruiting Ares and Baroona too? Isiris is planning something aren't they? Good thing I'm cheering for them. Go Isiris!
    Mikael again stabbing some powerless someone who was asking for help. The hell! His decision to keep Carnival alive was not due to some kind of warrior code, but a strategic one. That scene and Mikael’s dream about him asking for a blazing life, makes me wonder if the ‘ares-guy’ is not him instead that the tender and very dangerous Ares. At the moment I agree with kkck, the plot around Mikael is getting more and more interesting (than the one around Ares). What’s your play Mikael? (ch 60)

    Quote Originally Posted by natli View Post
    Baroona's fight was my favourite one so far. It really developed his character. For some strange reason I really liked Ouranos too. He loved being a Gladiator and fought for his audience, and he had some interesting thoughts about swordsmen's life.

    So, Baroona... he's a cheater xD I can't help but find it sexy. I like guys who use their brains. Plus, he doesn't fight without a reason. I'm really looking forward to his backstory, before he became a slave. He's pretty cold too, killing his master when he had to, I know many manga characters who would choose death in his situation :P I think he joined the fight wih Ouranos to convince him to switch sides. Not a bad plan, but Ouranos wasn't a simple guy :P
    I liked so much Ouranus. His character was very great in asking his enemies why were them fighting him before their fights. The end was a bit sour-sweet. With his previous parlaments I'd prefer him to end in a different way than fighting for the audience. But maybe that way of thinking is what he could get from his very painful childhood. So discovering he has that in mind was not bad, but rather something sad. As for Barona, his personal conviction is that life code’s rules over gladiator’s code. Not nice, but very efficient.

    Some other notes:

    I disagree with Zellogan about Gohu: he’s an artist. Ussop is not an artist. And Gohu is not a coward; he only wants to protect the cultural treasures or the kingdom.

    Sumbae is opening a bakery shop? You never know who is behind each helmet. My bets for the retirement: Barona will open a casino, Ares a restaurant and Mikael a kindergarden…

    Later I will post some things more that captured my attention.

    ---------- Post added at 09:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:16 PM ----------

    Up to now, I see three important concepts being at stake at the center of Ares world:

    1. Sion to Ares: "Heroes are not made, they born, and you are a hero"

    2. Kiron to Ares: "There are two kind of people: blessed ones, and non-blessed ones".

    3. The lines of the unknown tample mercenary who talks at the beginning of chapter 67:

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    Some interesting things result from the connection between these three parliaments. A trivial one would be that there wouldn’t be heroes without war. So Sion’s words are words that belongs to a world of war; his words would be nonsense in a peaceful world. Now, what I find interesting is that the speaker in the third text, the unknown mercenary is afraid, he doesn’t want to become a pawn of heroes, and at the same time, he admires the famous Mikael and Barona, and wishes to become as famous as them. Here the distinction pointed by Kyron makes sense: Mikael and Barona are the heroes, the blessed ones, and the unknown solider is the non-blessed one. I find it interesting because from the first volume we learnt that Ares, Mikael and Barona are not afraid to kill or to be killed. I suppose it can be connected with that Grimson road song. All of it could be counted as the world view created for the author for his story.

    I can’t avoid to mention that Ares fights are unknown to the mercenary. He’s not mentioned by him. In Minos he wasn’t seen by the soldiers, as it happened to Mikael and Barona. And apparently his fight against the great Sion was not as famous as his friends’. Is it something made on purpose by the author?


    Cygnus run towards Icarus in the chapter, to introduce himself to him was fantastic! I'm very curious to see what is going to happen....

    This drawing is great, isn't it?:

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    It would be nice to know where you go in the reading. According to our agreed schedule tomorrow will be the end of the week dedicated to the reading of vol 11 and 12 (from chapter 73 to 83). But I have the impression, with the exception of natli, all the rest are a bit late for that. So what chapter are you reading now? Do we need some more days to catch up to chapter 83?
    ---------- Post added September 18, 2013 at 06:07 PM ---------- Previous post was September 17, 2013 at 09:42 PM ----------

    On vol 12:

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    ---------- Post added at 09:44 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:07 PM ----------

    My notes on volume 11 and 12:

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    Re: Collective Reading of VAGRANT SOLDIER ARES by Ryu Keum Cheo

    I have to confess - I read the manhwa to the end. I had to see how the Mikael situation would play out. I won't be making any longer posts now, since I know how it ends.

    Quote Originally Posted by ukimix View Post
    Cygnus run towards Icarus in the chapter, to introduce himself to him was fantastic!
    Possibly one of my favorite moments in the manhwa. I liked his fighting style best. Which leads me too...

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    Re: Collective Reading of VAGRANT SOLDIER ARES by Ryu Keum Cheo

    Quote Originally Posted by natli View Post
    I have to confess - I read the manhwa to the end. I had to see how the Mikael situation would play out. I won't be making any longer posts now, since I know how it ends.



    Possibly one of my favorite moments in the manhwa. I liked his fighting style best. Which leads me too...

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    No worries for having read the comic to the end. The collective reading should have help you to find it (I hope you are satisfied with picking up this comic), and possibly to read it. And in the end for that's why it is here.



    Now, you have proved the story is a good one. It happens when you have to keep reading to see what happens next, and it keeps you captive until the end.



    As for the posts, you don't have to stop posting here. Zellogan has already read the comic and has been posting here, and when all of us have read the last chapter sure we will exchange some interesting comments and impressions. Also if you can make comments on the volumes we are reading that don't spoil the story, please make them. They are very welcome.
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    Re: Collective Reading of VAGRANT SOLDIER ARES by Ryu Keum Cheo

    Damn, I really hate cygnus died that way. He was an awesome character and I felt a lot more could have been done with him... I would have loved to see a bit more of his past. Hopefully we get to see his girlfriend have some sort of happy ending. I wonder why exactly michael would have left carnival alive and not cygnus. I guess cygnus could have been too dangerous? Or maybe michael was just annoyed by him for his earlier taunts? Having cygnus in his army could have perhaps been too much though, the guy was able to kill 150 people on his own and he can basically fly....

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    Re: Collective Reading of VAGRANT SOLDIER ARES by Ryu Keum Cheo

    Now you have all reached the critical point in the manwha and for me, all the storyline with Cygnus is the best one in the manwha.
    And it also opened the way for the second half.

    Keeping quiet about Cygnus, Michael, Carnival's comeback & Kirberos was hard .

    And again, I highly suggest "Kingdom" for those who like "Medieval" Warfare with big heroes.

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    Re: Collective Reading of VAGRANT SOLDIER ARES by Ryu Keum Cheo

    What volumes are we at now? not much activity here lately....

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    Re: Collective Reading of VAGRANT SOLDIER ARES by Ryu Keum Cheo

    Quote Originally Posted by kkck View Post
    What volumes are we at now? not much activity here lately....
    Yes, sorry about it. With natli having read all the volumes, conn-man, you and me are the participants on this reading (Not sure about Nast.J). And we had an agreement on reading 2 volumes per week. This week should be about vol 13 and 14. But you told me you agree on speeding up the reading. So, I think we could read three or more volumes per week. I'd say 3 volumes is fine, but I'm open to read 4 or more per week. What you think?


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    I also would like to consult the opinion of Zellogan and natli: what could be the best points of the story in which to make a cut, during the following weeks?
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