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    Why the 5 great villages hasn't relied on edo tensei in the past?

    As we can see in this war edo tensei has become a main factor and if it wasn't for it the alliance should have been crushed at this moment.Now to think of it in the past wars between the villages why not every village had try to master edo tensei for their own military power?whats the meaning of trying to obtain a niibi or sanbi when u can simply have a 3rd raikage or Muu or dozens of elite shinobis tenseid.of course that there are risks at this jutsu like rebelliion of a tensei but even making someone a jinjurichi has the proven risks.

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    Re: Why the 5 great villages hasn't relied on edo tensei in the past?

    Yeah, this is odd to me.
    Previously, I would have stated that it was due to the secrecy of the technique - even Obito didn't know it before Kabuto showed him. It took Orochimaru a long time to finally perfect the technique (well, Kabuto perfected it I guess).
    That said, it doesn't seem to be a difficult technique when you know the basics (difficult to control many people, but not difficult to perform so to speak). Obito learned it very quickly. Also, Madara understood the seals well enough to free himself - I doubt Tobirama would have made the zombies in-front of him (summoned maybe, but not made them) and there is no chance in hell that he would have taught him.
    I can not see why Tobirama would have written down the method, as it is far too risky to do so, therefore Orochimaru must have guessed the method based on what he knew of the technique's capabilities.

    Interesting topic.
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    Re: Why the 5 great villages hasn't relied on edo tensei in the past?

    It is a forbidden jutsu, it goes against nature. You have to sacrifice someone to bring someone back.

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    Re: Why the 5 great villages hasn't relied on edo tensei in the past?

    First of all that was a forbidden technique, may be sealed inside the Konoha or may be not even recorded somewhere also For Edo Tensei you need to understand the mechanics behind it. Tobi learnt it very quickly its true. But how he was controlling them, with Rinnengan's power, not with the procedure that was commonly used for controlling which is kinda difficult, Oro and Kabuto learned it via constant experimentation.

    (Process of) Making Jin's was on the other hand , handed from generation to generation, every village had their own way of sealing Bijju and almost all the aspects of that were covered (by mutual cooperation may be, cause Hashirama handed Bijjus to other villages so he didn't gave them simply by putting a colla in their necks)

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    Re: Why the 5 great villages hasn't relied on edo tensei in the past?

    1) it's tobirama's jutsu, so only he knows it, maybe hashirama, madara, orochimaru who stole secrets, kabuto, obito
    2) ethical problem, no one would probably use it unless it was in time of war
    3) it's a bit ridiculous if you had to revive your own kage's because you needed help, you also lose face considering you are a newer generation (supposed to be stronger) and rely on the help of your dead ancestors to help you fight

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    Re: Why the 5 great villages hasn't relied on edo tensei in the past?

    Because the 4 other villages are incompetent to create this kind of powerful jutsu.

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    Re: Why the 5 great villages hasn't relied on edo tensei in the past?

    Quote Originally Posted by YEEKUZA View Post
    1) it's tobirama's jutsu, so only he knows it, maybe hashirama, madara, orochimaru who stole secrets, kabuto, obito
    2) ethical problem, no one would probably use it unless it was in time of war
    3) it's a bit ridiculous if you had to revive your own kage's because you needed help, you also lose face considering you are a newer generation (supposed to be stronger) and rely on the help of your dead ancestors to help you fight
    1)From Tobirama to Oro's era the secret should have been stolen somehow since as we saw every revived kages,Muu 3rd Raikage 3rd Mizukage,4th kazekage already had info on edo tensei so every village already knew the basics of how it works but didn't have the scroll with the formula stolen by oro while he was still on konoha.
    2)Of course,theres no need for edo tensei unless the war brings out
    3)If they have problem with the morale of this jutsu it's not needed to summon your own village shinobis if u don't want it.it's enough a little grave robbing.earth village can use kin&gin,the mist can use raikages,konoha mizukage etc.

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    Re: Why the 5 great villages hasn't relied on edo tensei in the past?

    its a forbidden jutsu for a reason. The formula is kept secret, and is probably not easy to perform in regards to control.


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    Re: Why the 5 great villages hasn't relied on edo tensei in the past?

    Also, probably because the Jutsu can be broken out of control, as Madara demonstrated.

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    Re: Why the 5 great villages hasn't relied on edo tensei in the past?

    well it was a forbidden jutsu, orochimaru stole the scroll or obtained the formula some other way

    so i assume the other villages didnt use it, because tobirama decided to make the jutsu forbidden, it was a secret only the leaf knew about

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    Re: Why the 5 great villages hasn't relied on edo tensei in the past?

    Quote Originally Posted by katon_style View Post
    1)From Tobirama to Oro's era the secret should have been stolen somehow since as we saw every revived kages,Muu 3rd Raikage 3rd Mizukage,4th kazekage already had info on edo tensei so every village already knew the basics of how it works but didn't have the scroll with the formula stolen by oro while he was still on konoha.
    2)Of course,theres no need for edo tensei unless the war brings out
    3)If they have problem with the morale of this jutsu it's not needed to summon your own village shinobis if u don't want it.it's enough a little grave robbing.earth village can use kin&gin,the mist can use raikages,konoha mizukage etc.
    1) yes ofc they knew, that means tobirama must have used it during the 1st/2nd war, and some of the people you mentioned were alive in that time period. therefore there must be written documentation on it being used and people were somewhat familiar with it. so far, we can only assume that the scroll containing the forbidden jutsu is locked up somewhere in konoha/little outside of it. it is monitored as the 3rd was able to find out naruto broke in and took it. it obviously wasn't stolen by another village or else people would have used it/other techniques from it. i'm assuming chuunin/jonin level class ninja of konoha know where it was but no one bothers to dare steal for any sort of gain. also assuming there aren't many missing nins from konoha either besides itachi, orochimaru, and sasuke(kinda). it's like knowing where X famous artifact is, would you dare try to steal it knowing an entire nation will be after you?

    also, maybe orochimaru has no need for it because he said himself it would take more than a lifetime to learn all the techniques, therefore there is a time issue on orochimaru's part, he probably wants the easy way out = so6p

    3) they can't use it if they don't know where their graves were/don't know the jutsu itself. don't forget kabuto had to experiment countless of times which means he needed a living body for each one. he's probably gone through 100 since he has so many strong edos, he must've tried at least two-three times or more just to find the correct body.

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    Re: Why the 5 great villages hasn't relied on edo tensei in the past?

    Likely because others saw it as an immoral jutsu since it brought back the dead. Whenever Edo Tensei was mentioned by the previous kage, it was out of disgust or indication that they found the jutsu reprehensible. And possibly because they didn't know how. The seals were probably in a scroll under forbidden jutsu, which Orochimaru may have gotten his hands on. Or he was able to gather such info somehow.

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    Re: Why the 5 great villages hasn't relied on edo tensei in the past?

    Quote Originally Posted by matsemann08 View Post
    It is a forbidden jutsu, it goes against nature. You have to sacrifice someone to bring someone back.
    That does not seem like such an issue for most of the villages. Theyve done much worse things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roman View Post
    Also, probably because the Jutsu can be broken out of control, as Madara demonstrated.
    It can only broken if you have knowledge of the Jutsu (like Madara did). I call PIS tbh.
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    Re: Why the 5 great villages hasn't relied on edo tensei in the past?

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    Likely because others saw it as an immoral jutsu since it brought back the dead. Whenever Edo Tensei was mentioned by the previous kage, it was out of disgust or indication that they found the jutsu reprehensible. And possibly because they didn't know how. The seals were probably in a scroll under forbidden jutsu, which Orochimaru may have gotten his hands on. Or he was able to gather such info somehow.
    it was definitely a forbidden jutsu according to the manga and the anime

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    Cool Well...

    We can assume that the scroll containing the Edo Tensei was avaiable only to the highest hierarchies of Konoha.

    Orochimaru was one of the top members of the village before he defected, a shinobi from another village wouldn't have known how to find such information not too mention how difficult it would be for that person to infiltrate Konoha's inner circle.

    Edo Tensei was an immoral Jutsu the Second Hokage developed in an age of unrestricted violence and warfare, it's likely that he asked for it to never be used again and because Danzou and other old bastards worshipped the guy they complied.

    It was only when Orochimaru, a top member of Konoha's military with access to said information and the ability to learn and use that Jutsu, became a missing-nin that the Edo Tensei returned from the shadows to curse the world.

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