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Thread: CONNECTION BETWEEN THE 4TH AND 2ND

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    Re: CONNECTION BETWEEN THE 4TH AND 2ND

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall313
    Well, i'm also one of the fans who had an opinion on rikudou for being an uzumaki. Technically, the symbol of rikudou and the uzumaki are almost the same. While the senju and the uchiha are not. This is not about for making naruto look prestigious or something, this is just an opinion based from what the manga has shown. I'm pretty sure it wasn't just a coincidence.
    It's not based on what's shown in the manga or else you'd drop it. The Rinnegan has multiple circles to represent the 6 paths of chakra. The Uzumaki symbol is a whirlpool to represent the Whirlpool country, where they come from. They have absolutely nothing to do with each other in any way at all.

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    And no. For being a senju or not, minato's strength right now is already on par/above with any senju. Except for hashirama/tobirama.
    The only other Senju out there is Tsunade, and without Kurama she dwarfs Minato in power.

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    The thing is, as one of minato's fans, i'm also curious on minato's lineage. That's all. He was suppose to be the father of the main character, and yet we know nothing on his history. If the side character like the rookies, together with their clans has been introduced by kishi, why not naruto's parents? It would definitely build up naruto's character as the main character of this series.
    Except that hasn't happened. Can you tell me the name of Sakura's parents?

    How about Ino's mom? Chouji's mom? What clan was Mikoto in before she was married to Fugaku? None of it matters. None of it. And it's not about curiosity either, or else you wouldn't have immediately jumped to claiming he was related to the strongest clan in the manga.

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    Re: CONNECTION BETWEEN THE 4TH AND 2ND

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    Except that hasn't happened. Can you tell me the name of Sakura's parents?
    You mean this guy and his wife ? Kishi has been looking for a time to introduce them in the Manga, but couldn't. So he stuffed them in a movie.

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    Re: CONNECTION BETWEEN THE 4TH AND 2ND

    I don't remember anything stating that Minato and Tobirama are not related, but I won't get into that. I think Minato learned how to use Hiraishin from a scroll and seems to be the only one to improve on it. There's no seeming relation between Orochimaru and Tobirama but Orochimaru still copied and improved Edo Tensei. Hell, we know there's nothin between Sasuke and Kakashi other than sensei, but Sasuke still used chidori and added variants to it.

    Or Hiruzen could have suggested Minato learn Hiraishin due to his quick reflexes and thinking, and showed him the scroll. I don't think Hiruzen taught Minato how to use HIraishin. Nor do I hope Hiruzen knows it.

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    Re: CONNECTION BETWEEN THE 4TH AND 2ND

    Quote Originally Posted by KingOfNight
    You mean this guy and his wife ? Kishi has been looking for a time to introduce them in the Manga, but couldn't. So he stuffed them in a movie.
    Yeah, I knew about that. I just didn't consider it canon since it happened in the movie and not the manga. Even if it is canon, it goes to prove my point that unless your parents are Uchiha or Senju related, it doesn't matter who they are, and any argument about heritage, usually is just a way to imply that one character is more special than they've been shown to be.

    I mean, try this on for size:

    "Oh shit, Mikoto has black hair! She's probably a Senju, right? That makes Sasuke twice as powerful as your normal Uchiha! The best Uchiha EVER!!!"

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    Re: CONNECTION BETWEEN THE 4TH AND 2ND

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    It's not based on what's shown in the manga or else you'd drop it. The Rinnegan has multiple circles to represent the 6 paths of chakra. The Uzumaki symbol is a whirlpool to represent the Whirlpool country, where they come from. They have absolutely nothing to do with each other in any way at all.
    No. Just look closely of the symbol of the senju clan, uchiha clan and uzumaki clan and compare them to te symbol of the rikudou, You can obviously tell that the uzumaki is almost the same as that symbol. Is that just a coincidence? I don't think so.

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    The only other Senju out there is Tsunade, and without Kurama she dwarfs Minato in power.
    Oh noh. You're exaggerating. Well, if you're talking about on her strength then you're right. But as a ninja, minato dwarfs tsunade.

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    Except that hasn't happened. Can you tell me the name of Sakura's parents?
    How about Ino's mom? Chouji's mom? What clan was Mikoto in before she was married to Fugaku? None of it matters. None of it. And it's not about curiosity either, or else you wouldn't have immediately jumped to claiming he was related to the strongest clan in the manga.
    Atleast, i do have a reason for jumping into conclusion that minato is somehow related to tobirama.

    Knowing or copying the hiraishin and its variants perfectly, even the finger type of sensing, it's impossible that minato just copied that because he idolized tobirama, there must be some reason on why minato did that, and the best reason is that he did that as a memento of someone special to him.

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    Re: CONNECTION BETWEEN THE 4TH AND 2ND

    for me it's only the hiraishin that links them.

    namizake clan is mysterious though.

    kakashi may be related because of the hair i guess.

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    Re: CONNECTION BETWEEN THE 4TH AND 2ND

    Well first of all its 2nd copying 4th we know that there was no hiraishing in tobirama's arsenal kishi is just trolling ... you know what I mean

    anyway whole minato copying jutsus is also false - i've been saying this since we saw it ... it is completely illogical for Rasengan being created out of bijudama - Naruto tried to use FRS and it went to bijudama - thus by doing this only logical conclusion would be that Naruto would be unable to use FRS in kyuubi mode -- why? simple if situation A leads to B and only to B it cannot lead to C how come naruto is able to do C when it should always come into B ... kishi was most likely high writing that chapter because it makes no sence whatsoever
    Why Tobi can't be Obito (or Rin):

    Year 0 for our purposes:
    We know that Madara and Tobi knew each other (confirmed by Kishi) and gave Madara's Rinnegan to Nagato.
    Year 5:
    J-Man trains Nagato
    Year 10:
    Obito is born.Tobi might be using Obito's eye but that is improbable since it would most likely be MS technique BUT considering how much he's been using it he would be blind by now. Itachi used it very sporadically and was blind, same Sasuke-Tobi is spamming it for 17 years and is OK?

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    Re: CONNECTION BETWEEN THE 4TH AND 2ND

    Tobirama uses Hiraishin in the flashback, doesn't he?

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    Re: CONNECTION BETWEEN THE 4TH AND 2ND

    Quote Originally Posted by chorns View Post
    Tobirama uses Hiraishin in the flashback, doesn't he?
    In the flashback and several times in the current war.

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    Re: CONNECTION BETWEEN THE 4TH AND 2ND

    I rather think that Tobirama is related to Jiraiya. And yes, that would make him related to Tsunade, which could explain why she tried to kill him for peeping at her, and also why they never hooked up. *shrug*

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    Re: CONNECTION BETWEEN THE 4TH AND 2ND

    the more chapters I read the more I think it's likely. if naruto is coming to an end I think kishi would want to tie up loose ends

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    Re: CONNECTION BETWEEN THE 4TH AND 2ND

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Minato learned Hiraishin from Sarutobi. Think about it: Sarutobi is called The Professor because he knows every jutsu in Konohagakure. That means any jutsu that's not related to Kekkei Genkai? He can do it. Any damn one.

    Yeah, I know that sounds like fanmade nonsense but hey. The manga/Orochimaru says it's all legit. Legit... and canon.


    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/120/14 "Hahahahah... you were called the Professor for knowing and being able to use all the jutsu that exist in the leaf.

    I highly doubt Minato learned it from Tobirama himself, as Tobirama died before Minato was born... or atleast before he was capable of learning complex jutsu. Though it's certainly possible he learned it all by himself. He was a genius after all. In other words, Minato doesn't have to be related to Tobirama in order to have a link to his jutsu. Since his predecessor knows every jutsu in Konohagakure.
    I agree totally...but just wanted to add
    tobirama died when sarutobi was a very young man...
    when tsunade met naruto she didn't even know who he was...I think she would have known her relative(seeing how she lost everyone she loved except jiraiya up to that point)
    also,shisui was well known for his shunshin tech...

    it is also possible that jiraiya taught minato the tech...or atleast told him about it.just like he passed on rasengan to naruto...
    But the stink that filled the privy gave ample evidence that the oft-repeated jape about his father was just another lie. Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold

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