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The tailed beasts COULD telepathically communicate remember!!! They can always be together. Plus Naruto and Bee could meet up alot
^Yeah they could do it provided they're in a near distance.
So what happens when Naruto and Bee die of old age? The Bijuu go free again and it could start all over again.
The only way is to either destroy the Juubi's body, or have the Juubi purified.
Haha maybe what we can do is at their death beds, have somebody seal them into the reapers belly. And have orochimaru revive them again? Im down with that idea
then lets get stronger people mann. Ahh soo many excuses.
i have a lot to say, so i'll keep it short and sweet
i made a prediction of orochimaru being revived + previous kages and they were true-- if that adds any value to my predictions..
Kishimoto will (try to) end Naruto with a *BANG* since it makes no series for the climax (the juubito?) to out perform the finale.
- Orochimaru (been around since beg, if series was crap and Kishi had to end it, Oro would be the likely candidate as he specifically said in interviews he wanted to design the perfect villain that would be feminine in features etc. why spend that much time designing if you weren't going to use him for some grand scheme?
(unrelated- harry potter snakes are bad, bible snakes = satan/evil/life/rebirth, they mean
everything Orochimaru desires, immortality - in order to learn all jutsu)
- Sasuke (has shifted to "good", makes no sense to be final villain, Naruto series is for KIDS/TEENS+, there will be a GOOD ENDING, friendship > everything!)
- Madara (he's already dead, stay dead Madara!)
- Obito (just.. highly unlikely)
Orochimaru - his enemies are only those who interfere with his experiment to either HAVE SO6P powers or be it himself. there is nothing scarier than a man who thirsts for knowledge/power and will do anything to get it (he's already achieved part-immortality)
Sasuke - attacked all kages, everyone considers him an enemy, doesn't care what people think of him, wants to be kage to change things to his vision -- remind you of someone? (madara). Does he still wanna kill Obito (obito was the one who helped Itachi slay their people) or Madara (who influenced Obito)?
Madara - may potentially be the strongest in the series, cannot become SO6P as long as obito doesn't sacrifice himself. Obito seems to have turned good so can't see that happening. seems like he still has his "chakra will rod" that could potentially convert Obito. Why does he want the moon eye plan to happen? Does he want control over everyone or is there something more sinister? (most likely does not want peace, otherwise he would have just left the mission to Obito and not ask to be revived...)
Naruto - wants peace? the fact that the manga stated the source of chakra came from a tree or w/e (didn't bother to reread) MAY lead to it actually showing up in the series later on. Will chakra be eliminated from the world by the end of the series?
What is likely to happen
- Naruto will surpass Hashirama
- Sasuke will surpass Madara
^why would Orochimaru/Hashirama bother mentioning it in the manga if it weren't going to be true
If it is possible for Chakra to be sucked back into the tree or whatever, that would DESTROY Orochimaru's plans.
1 Orochimaru takes over Sasuke's body
1 Orochimaru helps Madara/takes over Madara's body
2 Orochimaru regains control over kages w/ newfound power
3 Sasukemaru+edo tensei vs Naruto + world
3 Madamaru+edo tensei vs Naruto + Sasuke
1 Naruto will eliminate chakra from the world
2 Orochimaru threatens by taking over Sasuke's body
3 Naruto vs Sasukemaru
4 Naruto somehow forces Oro out of body
5 Naruto + Sasuke vs Orochimaru
1 Madara completes Eternal Tsukuyomi
2 Sasuke breaks tsukuyomi from within similar to Sasuke vs Itachi
3 Sasuke saves teh werld from tsukuyomi
1 Madara completes Eternal Tsukuyomi
2 Forces allied shinobi to go against select individuals
3 Tables are now turned, only the Leaf are targeted as enemies with Madara ruling
What I think will happen 1-4---5+ what I want to happen
1 Everyone vs Madara (picks up where we left off)
2 Obito somehow is sacrificed by Madara
3 Madara somehow activates moon eye plan
4 Sasuke is the only one who is able to break out of the genjutsu (similar to him vs Itachi)
[ also, this would be a good reason why Obito collected Uchiha eyeballs, to make sure no one could beat the genjutsu from within ] * SASUKE POWER UP INSIDE TSUKUYOMI *
5 Madara is defeated solo'd by Sasuke (the sole survivor of Uchiha defeating the one who helped annihilate the Uchiha clan, thus exacting revenge)
6 Orochimaru takes advantage of weakened Sasuke, consumes him
7 Sasukemaru vs Naruto + world, expect planetary jutsu level techniques
8 Minato+3rd (death reaper technique--is it still possible?) sacrifice themselves to somehow extract Orochimaru out of Sasuke's body
8 Naruto + Sasuke + world vs SO6P Orochimaru (somehow) + 1st-2nd hokage (i'd like to believe they are a lot stronger than what has already been shown)
X - Naruto and Sasuke both become Kage like the 1st and 2nd
--- SERIES ENDS
Y - naruto movie that occurs after Naruto and Sasuke are kage
Z final naruto movie to suck the life out of the series, alternate realities merge ie
what if scenarios vs actual scenario
Unfortunately, any logic arguing against Sasuke for final villain is going to be twarted by Kishimoto's pen.
Don't let Sasuke's current alliance with Naruto fool you, he is a good guy only at the surface, deep down he wants to take power in Konoha and the world at large by force and he only didn't try that yet because he is facing enemies far more powerful than he antecipated.
He couldn't let Obito complete the Moon Eye Plan foremost but he more or less realized that Naruto has become much more powerful than him and opposing the latter in this situation would only render him a humiliating defeat.
The current situation is oddly mirrowing the end of part 1 when the main antagonist was defeated yet Sasuke threw everything to hell with his betrayal in search of power.
Madara is the key to Sasuke's rise in power just like how Orochimaru was his key to power at the end of part 1, the actions of the current major villain will catapult Sasuke to the dark side once more and make him an enemy far greater than what Obito was.
What is going to happen is that Madara will bring fort the fruit of the Shinju for the purpose of reviving himself and attaining godlike power but Sasuke will be the one who takes it and becomes all powerful.
Sasuke can't stand being in Naruto's shadow, the moment he has the opportunity to eat the fruit he will do so in the same manner he decided to desert the village in the wake of Naruto's growth in part I leaving him behind.
Once that happens, everything will go downhill for the good guys.
Sasuke will openly betray the alliance and demand the world to acknowledge him as Hokage while the other nations pleadge their subservience to Konoha.
Naturally, everyone will refuse so Sasuke will simply declare war on them while revealing all of his war resources:
-Half of the Nine-Tails
-Orochimaru and his snakes
-The previous generations of the Uchiha clan
In the wake of Sasuke reviving his entire clan with Edo Tensei, possibly with Izuna, Madara will join him for the sake of fighting Hashirama and killing as many Senju and possible.
The endgame of part II will be:
-Sasuke vs Naruto
-Madara vs Hashirama
-Minato e Yin-Kurama vs Ay e Bee/Gyuki
-Tobirama vs Mei
-Sarutobi vs Oonoki
-Tsunade vs Orochimaru
-Uchiha Clan vs Shinobi Alliance
Because the Sharingan can control the unsealed Bijuu, half of them will end up fighting for the Uchiha and half will aid the alliance.
-Uchiha: Matatabi (Izuna), Kokuo (Fugaku) and Chomei (Madara)
-Alliance: Shukkaku (Gaara), Isobu (Guy), Son Goku (alone) and Saiken (Sakura)
The people between comas are those who will be riding them into battle.
Sasuke will clad the Gedo Mazou in his perfect Susanoo stabilized enhaced by the fruit's powers and battle a Sage Kurama Naruto while the rest of the forces throw it down on their own battles.
After a gruelling battle and a lot of important characters killed, Naruto will lose, Sasuke will burn half his face and kill him with a Chidori to the heart and the Shinobi alliance will crumble in the wake of his defeat.
Hinata will snap in the face of Naruto's death, she will awake the Hyuga equivalent of the Mangekyou Sharingan and abandon the field after parting ways with a deceased Naruto and vowing to revive him with her own version of the Infinite Tsukuyomi.
Sakura will try to hold off Sasuke with Saiken while she tries to heal Naruto to no avail but Sasuke will overpower the Six-Tails and ultimately shoot Sakura dead with a Chidori through her eye.
Kakashi will try to face Sasuke in a suicidal bid but Obito will save him from the brink of death and take Naruto and Sakura away while Guy makes the ultimate sacrifice of opening the 8 gates to allow for some of the surviving Shinobi to retreat.
Kakashi and Obito will arive at Rin's grave and the latter will redeem himself by casting Rinne Tensei on Naruto and Sakura at the cost of his own life.
As Sakura wakes up to find Kakashi and Obito dying, they will entrust their Sharingans to her and Naruto replacing the right eye Naruto lost when Sasuke burned half his face and the left one Sakura lost from Sasuke's Chidori to her skull.
As Obito and Kakashi make peace with each other and pass away before Rin's grave, Sakura takes the comatose Naruto to the Shikkotsu Forest to treat his remaining grave injuries and wait for the day he awakes.
Sixteen years pass until the day Naruto awakes, in the meantime Sasuke has completely remade the world at the image of his ideals and Naruto is just the memory of a hero who died in the Fourth Shinobi War won by Sasuke.
In this new dystopian scenario, peace is brutally enforced by the Edo!Uchiha police with the aid of a new White-Zetsu army while new Shinobi are educated as a single nation under the false story that Sasuke was the hero who destroyed the Akatsuki from whitin and turned the tides of the war when the Shinobi Alliance was on the brink of total annihilation.
Sasuke has learned all the techniques from Tobirama, Sarutobi and Minato, dismissing the Edo!Hokages for the sake of keeping Orochimaru in check and to avoid having them spill the beans.
Karin has been made the new Jinchuuriki of Kurama's Yin half, matured a lot and learned many Uzumaki clan techniques to turn her into a powerful fighter worthy of being Sasuke's empress.
Sasuke and Karin have had a child bearing strenght from both the fruit Sasuke consumed and the chakra absorved from Yin Kurama during Karin's pregnancy. Said child has such great potential that whichever path she/he grows up to choose will be carved upon humanity's future forever.
Orochimaru has received a full pardon under the accounts of helping Sasuke in his victory over Akatsuki and now has a blank check to advance his research as long as it benefits the empire.
On the other side of the fence, Naruto will need to regain the level of power he lost after 16 years of coma and also learn how to use Kamui in his bid to defeat Sasuke and free the world.
Sakura will have grown and matured into a serious and composed woman, she has used those 16 years to catch up with Naruto and Sasuke, gaining mastery over Kamui's left eye and learning Sage Mode to properly handle a opponent's of the strongest league.
Hinata has become the new Tobi, a calous and cynical woman who is nevertheless an extremely powerful Kunoichi that used those 16 years to master her new eye powers and plot her way to revive the Shinju for the sake of freeing the hopeless world from Sasuke's rule.
The Gedo Mazou has 8 bijuus sealed inside it with the 9th being held close to Sasuke in the event his empire ever comes close to being overthrown.
This last part of Naruto will be about the surviving rookies picking up from when their dreams were tragically interrupted by Sasuke's second betrayal while the later tries to come to terms with the path he choose and how his system has achieved significant progress in spite of the sacrifices made.
Focus will be on Naruto's struggle to remain on the path he once choose despite his inevitable confrontation with Sasuke, how Sakura now must prepare Naruto and herself for that battle, how Karin now deals with the power and responsibilities of being Jinchuuriki, empress and mother, how Sasuke's and Karin's child plays an important role into the fate of the world and how Naruto must reunite with Hinata before she revives the Juubi and engulfs the world in calamity.
You can say he's basically alienated. Only SUPER BRO NARUTO is willing to accept him back.
The series already reached its climax, if Juubito wasn't the climax then this is a very sad story. At this point the series seems to be speeding toward an ending, which means expect a load of action rather than dialogue as it may end by 2014 which means less than 60 chapters.
60 chapters isn't a whole lot to get complicated.
(assuming Naruto ends by 2014, which i really think it would... considering we are just past the "climax"... and it should unless there's a whooole lot of dialogue)
Battles we can expect (hyped)
- Hashirama/Tobirama (gotta throw Tobirama somewhere) vs Madara (with Madara winning)
- Naruto vs Sasuke (however, i cannot see them battle to the death, you can't be accepted if you kill Konoha's hero / the protagonist of the series. If anything, this battle will take place.. if Sasuke isn't really in control.
- etc etc vs Orochimaru
and by battles we can expect i mean REAL pages where we can see jutsu being cast.
not just pages where we see hashirama with his wooden dragon flying at madara and screaming etc.
Last edited by YEEKUZA; November 23, 2013 at 06:52 AM.
You are confusing Naruto's ideals about Hokage and the seat of power itself, one doesn't need to be a hero to everyone if he has the power to enforce his rule as Hokage. It is for this reason that Sasuke will never accept to follow Naruto and will even kill the latter to obtain power.
In fact, you correctly pointed out that Sasuke believes Naruto's path will lead to the same mistakes and failures so he will never wait and see if he is wrong.
Also, protecting Itachi's will and becoming Hokage by force are not opposing goals, Sasuke will protect the village but in turn the village will follow his path and the Uchiha clan would, in his eyes, have received justice for their genocide.
He clearly intents to change not just Konoha but the whole world by force if necessary, his loud and crazy "BURN" and "I WILL DESTROY THE OLD SYSTEM" tantamounts to his plans of radically altering everything so that wars cease to happen because of the Shinobi villages.
It doesn't help either that the four Hokages confirmed the most darkest aspect of the village as something positive, when you got freaking Hashirama Senju confirming that he would murder his family and friends for the sake of his ideals (his village) this leaves no shadow of doubt in Sasuke's heart that killing the entire alliance would be acceptable if that was the only way for him to make his ideals prevail.
He came to the battlefield with the intention of stopping the Juubi himself and defeating Naruto for the sake of building his new order/system but discovered that both were far more powerful than he had antecipated.
Since his primary goal was preventing the Moon Eye Plan from happening and Juubito was far more powerful than him and Naruto, he obviously put his differences aside for the sake of not letting the world end.
However, now that Juubito is gone, Sasuke is plotting his way to surpass Naruto to become Hokage and that leaves him vulnerable to the dark side.
The atmosphere feels exactly like the end of part I with a conflicted Sasuke looking for a way to leave Naruto behind and willing to anything to accomplish that.
The forbidden fruit represents that temptation of evil and power just like how Orochimaru was for Sasuke in part I. In fact, ther mention of a forbidden fruit and Orochimaru's return are hardly a consequence, the latter certainly wants Sasuke to achieve supreme power and recreate the events which made the original Sage of the Six Paths and led to the creation of all Ninjutsu.
Once Sasuke takes the fruit and betrays the alliance, he will massacre everyone who doesn't surrender and accept to follow his vision. Konoha will be lied to, making Sasuke looklike the hero who saved the world while Naruto was the hero who sacrificed himself to help him and anyone who knows the true about the war will be silenced with the threat of death and another genocide.
Don't confuse the decisive battle with the climax battle.
In part I, the battle between Orochimaru and Hiruzen decided the fate of Konoha but the climax was the battle between Sasuke and Naruto which kicked the plot for the second part of the manga.
In part II, the battle against Juubito decided the fate of the world but it certainly didn't conclude the ongoing conflicts and the climax will certainly be another battle between Sasuke and Naruto which will set the stage for the third part of the manga.
There is no indication that the series is ending anywhere soon, even if Kishimoto states anything, we cannot take for sure because as far as Toriyama was concerned Dragon Ball would have ended when Namek exploded. Shueisha is just that kind of publisher who doesn't let cash cows die before going completely dry.
Last edited by 1337 haxor; November 23, 2013 at 10:50 AM.
"To emphasize his role as a villain, Kishimoto worked towards making him appear "pasty and sickly" as part of his theme of distinguishing villains from the protagonists"
In terms of art direction, Orochimaru is clearly the odd one out (of the "villains") which would make him the perfect candidate.
Everyone is underestimating Orochimaru simply because he hasn't done anything significant which is why Orochimaru as a final villain would be perfect for the series... readers are introduced to him in the beginning and we end with him at the very end... Why is his presence mentioned even when he has no real "part" of the series? It is obvious he has something to do in the later part of the series. Why did Kishimoto bother writing dialogue for Orochimaru in this war arc talking to the 3rd about his INTENTIONS on the war? Yes, because readers also want to know what is inside Orochimaru's head but also because we already know his ambitions and that he even states he has no enemies besides those who interfere with his work. Do you think Orochimaru's work will end before Sasuke becomes final villain? I highly doubt that. It would make for a very boring ending as well.
The thing is, if Sasuke is the final villain at the end, he has no redemption because even if Naruto saves him from the dark side, no one will accept him. Naruto is about friendship and etc. kid stuff so why would he spit on little kids faces if he makes Sasuke the bad guy? How can Sasuke redeem himself if he wants to go toward a path of controlling everything? Sasuke as a final villain would be more suited for an adult manga series but Naruto (the series) is not nearly as adult as it is geared towards kids/teens.
Orochimaru on the other hand, has no redeeming qualities. He is no one's enemy unless you interfere with his goals etc. You can reason with Sasuke, you cannot reason with Orochimaru. Madara can be reasoned with more so than Orochimaru. Orochimaru is the perfect candidate in this story at this point in time.