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Translations: Bleach 595 (2)
Isnt that because Minato was caught off guard because Obito's attack stuck on him? I think it was a moment of who was more clever.
There's also the fact that Tobirama managed to pull off a successful attack using Hiraishin (with Naruto) a couple of chapters later.
Almost. It's still unclear whether someone using Hiraishin actually travels through another dimension.
Assuming that a Hiraishin user doesn't, then Hiraishin would inherently be faster (because it takes time to go through dimensions, even if it's like super fast).
At least, that's my take on it.
He doesn't need to know when to execute it, he can just keep running and use max speed. Both were in motion, but Naruto had a head start so it was easier for him to dodge due to inertia (?). If he wasn't moving, maybe it'd be a bit more impressive.Quote:
I'm not theorizing or downplaying his speed. But the fact that he stood still and didn't move means he needs to know when to move, otherwise his speed is useless. I don't remember mentioning his clumsiness, but okay.Quote:
He can't. What kind of strategy is that? He should run around until he gets exhausted and then what? It's precisely because he didn't do that, that it's impressive. If both were in motion, then both were in the same shoes and the same logic is used if they were standing standing.
He didn't know when to move because he didn't know what speed to expect. He dodged it instinctively without calculating and knowing the true measure of his highest speed. That's why it's impressive. It wouldn't be impressive if he knew that speed beforehand and then dodged it.
You can have a strong argument and people will appreciate that, but if you give a bad example then people will obviously try to point it out.Quote:
I dont think any Naruto fan would want Naruto to be a carbon copy of Minato. How exactly did he not outrun the Raikage legitimately? Its getting rather ridiculous.Quote:
If you believe that a warning is enough to boost ones reflex and speed then fair enough but that is not the case. If you do not have greater reflex or speed it would be meaningless to even be warned.
Its like the Flash telling Batman to get ready he is coming while accessing the full speed force, would you expect Batman to react or escape him? Jeez.
If you clearly see an attack coming and have greater speed and reflexes then you will be able to dodge it. If you are much slower than the attacker, no amount of warning will help you dodge.Quote:
In a fight, the fact that you are IN a fight is warning enough. Naruto seeing the Raikage coming at him would have yielded the same result, he would have dodged.
IIRC it was only confirmed to Naruto that the Raikage used his top speed after he managed to evade him.Quote:
Last edited by jaymizzo; September 03, 2013 at 10:00 PM.
But this is a waste of time for us, so it's just better to agree to disagree.
Naruto knowing and observing the Raikage coming after him are the same thing and would yield the same result. You cannot say that Narutos top speed is only achievable by a warning, or at least insinuate such.
I dunno, I don't read the comics. But the Raikage doesn't have that kinda advantage, he just has his speed amped up to the max by raiton cloak while Naruto can amp up his speed to the max using Kyuubi's chakra.
I did not say Naruto's top speed is only achieved by warning. I don't think anyone has said that... and I feel as if you're accusing me of saying this to make me look stupid. My argument is about Naruto dodging the Raikage with or without warning, not whether he can reach max speed.
That is how this whole debate is coming across. If you believe that Naruto could dodge the Raikage with or without the warning, then pointing out the warning would really not make a difference.Quote:
For Naruto to dodge the Raikage he needed his max speed, that is what it came down to. I believe that weather or not he was warned or not, he would have been able to do so. Just like how he casually tried to escape using only his normal speed until he was surprised at Ee keeping up.Quote:
I apologise if its coming across that way, I had no intention in doing that nor have I ever intended in doing so to anyone in a healthy debate.Quote: