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    Re: Sasuke and Kyuubi

    Quote Originally Posted by Schabrak View Post
    Death is painful, Kurama has feelings too and who with a sane mind[angry and furious, but not insane] would commit suicide? Rather than die with no knowledge if and when it will return, it did rather decide to wait for a frustrating/anguishing moment of Naruto to take over and be reborn/freed this way. Just think about it, Naruto was lucky to have such great sealing specialists[Minato/Jiraiya/Kakashi to some degree] and Yamato[!] around him to save him from dire situations. Had it not been for Killer B, Gyūki might have escaped again too.
    There shouldn't be any pain involved, given the lack of any actual nerves. At most, a dying Bijuu would simply experience darkness from what we were shown during the Sannin fight. And the Kyuubi should have been aware that it would/could be reborn upon the host's death, as that was one of the reasons the Rikudou Sennin created them in the first place, due to his death allowing the Juubi to be reborn.

    The problem with waiting for a frustrating/anguish moment was pretty much it relied upon unpredictable circumstances, Jiraiya weakening the seal and allowing it an easier time possessing Naruto. Outside of that, it couldn't make such an attempt, meaning it likely would have had to wait another generation before another chance came up again.

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    Given that the Kyuubi tried to break free of Naruto during the fight with Pain, I highly doubt it cared for Naruto at all. More like Kishi either didn't think of the immortal bijuu thing or the Kyuubi chose to bide his time rather than die and slowly regenerate. I dunno if it knew Tobi was alive though, at the time.
    Not to mention it's attempt to kill Naruto in their fight for it's chakra. But don't forget that Kishi had it shown during the situation with the Yonbi that the Kyuubi had been watching Naruto and had developed faith in him since the series began.

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    Re: Sasuke and Kyuubi

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    There shouldn't be any pain involved, given the lack of any actual nerves.
    GRRARGHHHHHAHARHHGHHHH They're living things, they avoid death (for whatever reason), and they desire freedom. Good lord l: l

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    Not to mention it's attempt to kill Naruto in their fight for it's chakra. But don't forget that Kishi had it shown during the situation with the Yonbi that the Kyuubi had been watching Naruto and had developed faith in him since the series began.
    Would Naruto have really died? Or would the kyuubi have just been able to pull the strings? Wish we knew more about bijuu and jinchuuriki.

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    Re: Sasuke and Kyuubi

    Quote Originally Posted by badluckartist View Post
    GRRARGHHHHHAHARHHGHHHH They're living things, they avoid death (for whatever reason), and they desire freedom. Good lord l: l
    The point is that death isn't a problem for them, thus it shouldn't get in the way of the desire for freedom. So it's obvious that the whole immortal angle wasn't thought up back then.

    Quote Originally Posted by badluckartist View Post
    Would Naruto have really died? Or would the kyuubi have just been able to pull the strings? Wish we knew more about bijuu and jinchuuriki.
    From what we were told by the Toads, the Kyuubi taking him over would have meant it's resurrection, so it wouldn't have been like puppeting Naruto's body or something like that. I suspect that we will be given more on them soon, given the current chapter.

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    Re: Sasuke and Kyuubi

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    The point is that death isn't a problem for them, thus it shouldn't get in the way of the desire for freedom. So it's obvious that the whole immortal angle wasn't thought up back then.
    Except a being that has lived for thousands of years might be thinking about the next thousand years, looking back on the last 100 years and thinking "Holy fucking shit this whole 'being constantly sealed/controlled' has sucked, sure hope my next 900 years aren't this shitty. The whole immortal angle shouldn't be swept under the rug so casually. It really means a lot when you consider that type of motivation as to why he hates Madara/Tobi so much. They represent something that even a being of malice despises- utter domination and contempt. Imagine if you had to get up and go to work not for a measly human lifespan, but like forever. You'd snap and want to do something very out of character eventually too xP

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    From what we were told by the Toads, the Kyuubi taking him over would have meant it's resurrection, so it wouldn't have been like puppeting Naruto's body or something like that. I suspect that we will be given more on them soon, given the current chapter.
    See, I take that to mean that Naruto would still exist, just as subordinate to the kyuubi. Considering him dead does make more sense though.
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    Re: Sasuke and Kyuubi

    One would think being immortal would mean not caring about being gone for a few years if it meant freedom.

    With the recent stuff we have been told about the Juubi, I would think that's it's some sort of embodiment of the planet.

    You mean like a puppet, like Naruto became during the fight with Pain? That would have been a cool direction for Kishi to have gone.

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    Re: Sasuke and Kyuubi

    Unless you don't wish to die because nobody sane would want that, we've gone a full circle and are in the beginning again.

    One would think that an immortal being has no interest in being immortal as it's boring as fuck. Gyūki has lost a teeth and horn, so I'm not so sure about the whole revival theory going on. When we have see Naruto turn Kyubi against Nagato he was clearly having muscles and bones, so no, he's not just chakra.
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    Re: Sasuke and Kyuubi

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    One would think being immortal would mean not caring about being gone for a few years if it meant freedom.
    My point is that it's not true freedom if the last 100 years of captivity in human stomachs are foreshadowing for the next 900 years.

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    With the recent stuff we have been told about the Juubi, I would think that's it's some sort of embodiment of the planet.
    That's what I've been saying since the juubi was revealed to be a torrent of natural energy. Wait, it was described as being the progenitor of everything... was that tree around before people? The planet? Either way it seems part of the natural order and just killing it would likely not get rid of it.

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    You mean like a puppet, like Naruto became during the fight with Pain? That would have been a cool direction for Kishi to have gone.
    Yes. And it would have been awesome to know that our hero still had some flaws to work through, but he just hasn't since Part II began. And the few times he *did* have things to work through, he didn't do it on his own like any adult has to, his dead daddy- and then dead mommy- saved his ass at the last second. Ugh. I wish it was about the acceptance of despair in life rather than "CLAP YOUR HANDS IF YOU BELIEVE AND YOU WON'T BE AN ORPHAN ANYMORE!"

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    Re: Sasuke and Kyuubi

    Quote Originally Posted by Schabrak View Post
    Unless you don't wish to die because nobody sane would want that, we've gone a full circle and are in the beginning again.

    One would think that an immortal being has no interest in being immortal as it's boring as fuck. Gyūki has lost a teeth and horn, so I'm not so sure about the whole revival theory going on. When we have see Naruto turn Kyubi against Nagato he was clearly having muscles and bones, so no, he's not just chakra.
    To add to this, the Kyuubi also seemed to have a skull and teeth when it lost the chakra that makes up its "flesh" trying to use a bijuu dama on Naruto after Naruto stole its chakra.

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    Re: Sasuke and Kyuubi

    Quote Originally Posted by badluckartist
    That's what I've been saying since the juubi was revealed to be a torrent of natural energy. Wait, it was described as being the progenitor of everything... was that tree around before people? The planet? Either way it seems part of the natural order and just killing it would likely not get rid of it.
    Kishimoto found a way to kill the bijuu without killing them, so Naruto won't look like a failure, and so he can't promote the "kill the bijuu if you wan to avoid what happened in this war" type of ending.

    He's going to have them go "home" to return to the tree. Bagoromo mentioned that they would be together again some day. The Bijuu see that Naruto's the one who's gonna do it. By becoming a giant tree and taking away the world's chakra, man will have a longer lasting peace before war breaks out again because all forms of city-busting weaponry will disappear once people lose access to chakra.

    Until someone eats the fruit after the next millenia. Obito should just transport the fruit to the moon with Kamui after having been redeemed.

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    Re: Sasuke and Kyuubi

    Quote Originally Posted by Schabrak View Post
    Unless you don't wish to die because nobody sane would want that, we've gone a full circle and are in the beginning again.

    One would think that an immortal being has no interest in being immortal as it's boring as fuck. Gyūki has lost a teeth and horn, so I'm not so sure about the whole revival theory going on. When we have see Naruto turn Kyubi against Nagato he was clearly having muscles and bones, so no, he's not just chakra.
    But it's not dying, not in the actual sense. The better comparison would probably be going to sleep.

    The Hachibi hasn't been resurrected since it lost it's horn or teeth. And the flesh, muscles, and bones are all made of transformed chakra. They can't be said to be more then that when we not only know that they were literally created just from it, but all of them basically exist as such inside their host. Orochimaru did the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by badluckartist View Post
    My point is that it's not true freedom if the last 100 years of captivity in human stomachs are foreshadowing for the next 900 years.
    I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

    Quote Originally Posted by badluckartist View Post
    That's what I've been saying since the juubi was revealed to be a torrent of natural energy. Wait, it was described as being the progenitor of everything... was that tree around before people? The planet? Either way it seems part of the natural order and just killing it would likely not get rid of it.
    Hard to say just yet. As Madara said, the truth seem to have become blurred due to time. So it's not clear whether the Shinju came before people, or was a reaction to people warring. As for it being gotten rid of, I think it could work either way. When the Rikudou Sennin sealed it within the moon, no new Shinju/Juubi was created to replace it. So maybe it's a one of a kind type of deal, or maybe because it and the Bijuus were technically still around another one wasn't seen as needed.

    Quote Originally Posted by badluckartist View Post
    Yes. And it would have been awesome to know that our hero still had some flaws to work through, but he just hasn't since Part II began. And the few times he *did* have things to work through, he didn't do it on his own like any adult has to, his dead daddy- and then dead mommy- saved his ass at the last second. Ugh. I wish it was about the acceptance of despair in life rather than "CLAP YOUR HANDS IF YOU BELIEVE AND YOU WON'T BE AN ORPHAN ANYMORE!"
    Something like what Ichigo had to deal with would have been cool: the Kyuubi not only giving Naruto chakra in an attempt to overpower him, but also occasionally taking it away when Naruto was in a tough situation. That would have been a great plot point to have during this war.

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    Dang it Rikudou! We have to appreciate our fellow living brothers. We can't just have them die. That's the negative way of thinking. Lets give them there own separate dimension to live in or travel through atleast. LET THEM LIVE!!

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    Seeing old chapters, I conclude that Kishimoto used to draw better...

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    Re: Sasuke and Kyuubi

    It's not like sleeping, it's like dying and being dead for a while. Why should it be any different for the biju than humans? Maybe it will be crippled next time it wakes up, maybe being dead is different for the biju and it's not like being in a cryogenic sleeping chamber, but being conscious and it will have to wait for days, weeks, months, years until enough chakra is reformed to build a body. It's a frightening though and possibility.
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    Re: Sasuke and Kyuubi

    Quote Originally Posted by KungPaoChicken View Post
    Dang it Rikudou! We have to appreciate our fellow living brothers. We can't just have them die. That's the negative way of thinking. Lets give them there own separate dimension to live in or travel through atleast. LET THEM LIVE!!
    They will live, back in the earth where they came from, where they can fulfill their "father's" plan and not be used as objects anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by Schabrak View Post
    It's not like sleeping, it's like dying and being dead for a while. Why should it be any different for the biju than humans? Maybe it will be crippled next time it wakes up, maybe being dead is different for the biju and it's not like being in a cryogenic sleeping chamber, but being conscious and it will have to wait for days, weeks, months, years until enough chakra is reformed to build a body. It's a frightening though and possibility.
    It is like sleeping. It was literally darkness slowly coming over him. And it's different because the Bijuu's aren't physically killed and will eventually come back, whereas most people have something physical happen to them to die and don't normally have the option of coming back. Why would waiting be frightening? That would be understandable if there was only a possibility of resurrection, but it's not that. Since thinking/believing something comes after death is a reassuring belief for billions of people, I would suspect that knowing would be just as assuring, if not more.

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