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    Re: The Sage And His Mother?

    Quote Originally Posted by Delbi View Post
    He was a shinobi and she was not, and he created ninjutsu. In terms of ability that should tell us all we need to know. She was a princess and he was a Warrior/Monk/Sage.
    ...And she had the power of a god.

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    Re: The Sage And His Mother?

    ,His mother was more powerful until the son subdued the Juubi, making him more powerful this time. Hence, generally the son should be more powerful as he was born with the power and unveiled more of its secrets and finally trample Juubi's existence who is god-described.

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    Re: The Sage And His Mother?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    Just because the mother had the chakra, doesn't mean she could actually use. More then likely, the son was more powerful because he had the time to learn and train with it.
    Wow, what the heck is that? Didn't madara said that sage mother won the war on her own? As in what the heck did she used to defeat her entire enemies? Of course, by using the power of the fruit, which is the chakra. So it's safe ti assume that the sage mother was the one who first used a jutsu to defeat their enemies. And no. The mother was more powerful because she was the one who had enough time to learn,train and control the pure chakra of the god.

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    Re: The Sage And His Mother?

    But the sage changed the world and stopped the Jubi. I think that's more then enough to make him stronger. I mean the jubi it self can wipe out every single normal powered shinobi in a few moments. duhhh. This is our first ever disagreement marshall......

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    Re: The Sage And His Mother?

    ,The mother managed to subdue the war but the son could also do it on his own. With the added reportoire the son has gained, no doubt he's generally stronger.

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    Re: The Sage And His Mother?

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall313 View Post
    Wow, what the heck is that? Didn't madara said that sage mother won the war on her own? As in what the heck did she used to defeat her entire enemies? Of course, by using the power of the fruit, which is the chakra. So it's safe ti assume that the sage mother was the one who first used a jutsu to defeat their enemies. And no. The mother was more powerful because she was the one who had enough time to learn,train and control the pure chakra of the god.
    No, Madara said the mother subdued/stopped a war, which is different. One wouldn't have to actually be a powerhouse to do that. Look at Vivi from One Piece. She stopped the Alabasta Civil war without physical force. Point is that no where was it stated she defeated anyone, so you can't claim that she did so and use that as some sort of example of power. Had she actually defeated an entire army, then surely she would have managed to gain the title of "God" well before she son, not to mention the previous mentioned fact that it was the son who dealt with the Juubi, not her.

    How did she have enough time to learn and train when she gained the power as an adult? The son, who would have had the power since birth, clearly would have had more time to train and learn. Thus the reason he was the one who taught everyone else how to use it.

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    Re: The Sage And His Mother?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    No, Madara said the mother subdued/stopped a war, which is different. One wouldn't have to actually be a powerhouse to do that. Look at Vivi from One Piece. She stopped the Alabasta Civil war without physical force. Point is that no where was it stated she defeated anyone, so you can't claim that she did so and use that as some sort of example of power. Had she actually defeated an entire army, then surely she would have managed to gain the title of "God" well before she son, not to mention the previous mentioned fact that it was the son who dealt with the Juubi, not her.

    How did she have enough time to learn and train when she gained the power as an adult? The son, who would have had the power since birth, clearly would have had more time to train and learn. Thus the reason he was the one who taught everyone else how to use it.
    If she can do that, then why need the power of the shinju? Technically, she ate those fruit to gained its power to stopped the war.

    Huh? Vivi stopped the alabsta civil war without physical force? The heck is that? Without the power of the devil fruit, luffy can't defeat crocodile and the civil war would still continue. Yea, without luffy's crew/power, vivi can't stop that civil war.

    That goes the same to the sage's mother. She can't stopped the war without the power of the shinju. That's exactly she ate the fruit to have a power to stopped the war.

    No. The sage became known as a god / monk by travelling around the world to teach anyone on how to used the chakra and as the juubi's jinchuuriki. S technically, he became a myth for being Tue first man ever to mold a chakra, but the sad truth is, he wasn't the one. T'was his mother the first human ever to mold a chakra.

    Adult? Doubt that. She's a princess remember? Then maybe that happened when she's in teenager. Well, she's still a virgin at that time, I guess.

    The sage mother had more time to trained her ass with the chakra, that would be before she get married, before she get pregnant, after the birth of rikudou, when rikudou is one year old, two years old, 3 years old,4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14 years old. So overall, the sage mother had more time to train and learn.

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    Re: The Sage And His Mother?

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall313 View Post
    If she can do that, then why need the power of the shinju? Technically, she ate those fruit to gained its power to stopped the war.

    Huh? Vivi stopped the alabsta civil war without physical force? The heck is that? Without the power of the devil fruit, luffy can't defeat crocodile and the civil war would still continue. Yea, without luffy's crew/power, vivi can't stop that civil war.

    That goes the same to the sage's mother. She can't stopped the war without the power of the shinju. That's exactly she ate the fruit to have a power to stopped the war.

    No. The sage became known as a god / monk by travelling around the world to teach anyone on how to used the chakra and as the juubi's jinchuuriki. S technically, he became a myth for being Tue first man ever to mold a chakra, but the sad truth is, he wasn't the one. T'was his mother the first human ever to mold a chakra.

    Adult? Doubt that. She's a princess remember? Then maybe that happened when she's in teenager. Well, she's still a virgin at that time, I guess.

    The sage mother had more time to trained her ass with the chakra, that would be before she get married, before she get pregnant, after the birth of rikudou, when rikudou is one year old, two years old, 3 years old,4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14 years old. So overall, the sage mother had more time to train and learn.
    No, she ate the fruit because she figured it would be in everyone's interest to have a god around. It wasn't done to specifically end any war. And the point still remains that Vivi stopped the actual war without "defeating her enemies".

    You're making a wild assumption there. Nowhere was it mention that the mother could mold chakra, so you can't claim that she was the first. Same with claiming that she was constantly training her entire life. And a princess can be an adult. Anyway, if she had been the first, then wouldn't she have been the one to stop the Juubi and show people how to use chakra? You can't really have it both ways.

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    Re: The Sage And His Mother?

    IMO Sage mother got enough time to train herself (Assuming that she didn't passed away shortly after giving birth to sage)
    She was adult (or at least sensible enough) when she got that power, so she could have understand it better and experiment with it. But she was powerful then sage or not, answer is a NO just because she had to get a hold of all the philosphy of the chakra and then how o mold it as compared to sage who had a guiding hand in form of her mother, plus she didn't got much time with the power (chakra) as sage did.

    On point of why she didn't stop Juubi , well may it is because juubi didn't appear when she was alive.

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    Re: The Sage And His Mother?

    Stick to the topic please. You can discuss Hashirama's plan in the Chapter Discussion or make another thread.

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    Re: The Sage And His Mother?

    Since she ate the jubis baby, it probably showed her mercy, but did not want to show HER child mercy. Sounds like a fair trade, but the tree lost. Haha

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    Re: The Sage And His Mother?

    Quote Originally Posted by KungPaoChicken View Post
    Since she ate the jubis baby, it probably showed her mercy, but did not want to show HER child mercy. Sounds like a fair trade, but the tree lost. Haha
    No. Madara said that the shinju's fruit just only appeared once in a millennium, so with that, if the fruit is indeed the juubi's baby, then where the heck is the other baby/fruit/s that was appeared last millennium and the next last millennium?

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    Re: The Sage And His Mother?

    Because they were eaten as well. And the jubi finally got tired of watching it's young die. So bam. It grew limbs and started a rampage.

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    Re: The Sage And His Mother?

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall313 View Post
    No. Madara said that the shinju's fruit just only appeared once in a millennium, so with that, if the fruit is indeed the juubi's baby, then where the heck is the other baby/fruit/s that was appeared last millennium and the next last millennium?
    They were turned in to full fledged Juubi, and the previous one died or something like that

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    Re: The Sage And His Mother?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark blood View Post
    They were turned in to full fledged Juubi, and the previous one died or something like that
    Wow, that's awesome.

    You made rikudou's mom as vampire who just ate the shinju's baby.

    Well, madara said that she ate the shinju's fruit and the shinju just want his POWER back. And not his baby.

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