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    Re: Why is the god tree a giant douche bag?

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall313 View Post
    Nah, t'was said the shinju is the progenitor of everything. Meaning, the shinju is also the cradle of life. The shinju was origin of life and the one who gave life of every living things. And yet that very life was just greedy enough and stole his power. Maybe the shinju felt betrayed when kaguya-hime ate the fruit.

    So the shinju right now wants his power back and also the very life of every living things.
    I am somewhat iffy about the whole chakra thing. I mean, if all chakra comes from the tree then why do all humans seem to have the capacity to use it? Not all humans descend from the rikudo and those who do are at a bare minimum objectively better human beings than normal. They are distinct, they are superior, they can do and are worth more than average guys. However as far as we know not everyone descends from the rikudo and more so, the rikudo taught to those of his time the secrets of chakra. If only descendants of the rikudo had chakra then there is a big inconsistency here as those who were alive during his time could not really all be related to him. Unless of course the sage lived for centuries and had more children than the manga cares to acknowledge.

    Perhaps the issue here is that the tree is looking specifically for the power which kagura took and that power has spread over her descendants. Taking the chakra from normal ninja is not the goal it itself, they are just casualties in its quest to recover the specific powers which descendants of kagura would have inherited.

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    Re: Why is the god tree a giant douche bag?

    I thought that was cleared up on the first page already.

    Quote Originally Posted by Schabrak View Post
    Yeah, wasn't the first time we heard about Rikudo mentioned that he was the one who thought the people of the ways of chakra and it's usage. It would explain why only the Senju/Uzumaki and Uchicha has such clear lineage to his two sons. Kaguya could very well have lived within the current fire country.
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    Re: Why is the god tree a giant douche bag?

    Quote Originally Posted by kkck View Post
    I am somewhat iffy about the whole chakra thing. I mean, if all chakra comes from the tree then why do all humans seem to have the capacity to use it? Not all humans descend from the rikudo and those who do are at a bare minimum objectively better human beings than normal. They are distinct, they are superior, they can do and are worth more than average guys. However as far as we know not everyone descends from the rikudo and more so, the rikudo taught to those of his time the secrets of chakra. If only descendants of the rikudo had chakra then there is a big inconsistency here as those who were alive during his time could not really all be related to him. Unless of course the sage lived for centuries and had more children than the manga cares to acknowledge.

    Perhaps the issue here is that the tree is looking specifically for the power which kagura took and that power has spread over her descendants. Taking the chakra from normal ninja is not the goal it itself, they are just casualties in its quest to recover the specific powers which descendants of kagura would have inherited.
    I think anything is possible right now.

    There's a certain episode in the anime about the secret of the hidden village of the water falls. There's a an old big tree that capable to release a water drops that can give anyone a boost amount of chakra.

    So what if the very chakra of all humans came exactly like that? Maybe from the water they drink or from the air they breath. There's alot of assumptions, but the fact remains that madara stated that every chakra came from the shinju.

    Or maybe the reason that human capable to used chakra is because of rikudou himself. We've seen naruto, minato, kurama and kushina capable to sealed their chakra just by touching, so what if rikudou's chakra, which came from the shinju, was being split/distributed to everyone he met? So he didn't just teach them the secrets of chakra but he clearly gave them the chakra. maybe that's the reason why the shinju wants his power/chakra back.
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    Re: Why is the god tree a giant douche bag?

    Or maybe besides the tree, there's another being that has intentions opposite of the tree. A dragon or something that wants to spread its powers of good but humans deny it because of some mis conception?

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    Re: Why is the god tree a giant douche bag?

    Quote Originally Posted by Impossibility View Post
    However, as you point out, a sentient tree growing a fruit and then getting angry when someone touches it is pretty ridiculous.
    Why would a god willingly and joyfully share his power with mortals? Would an emperor gave away his power willingly?

    I think it is ridiculous to think that someone who got something stolen away from him would not be angry.

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    Re: Why is the god tree a giant douche bag?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryr View Post
    Why would a god willingly and joyfully share his power with mortals? Would an emperor gave away his power willingly?

    I think it is ridiculous to think that someone who got something stolen away from him would not be angry.
    Why would a tree create a fruit, when the entire purpose of a fruit is it for it to be consumed and then dispersed, and then subsequently get angered when the fruit is eaten? That is ridiculous. The tree decided to offer up its power when it put into a fruit. What's ridiculous is that you seem to be unable to grasp the obvious behind my comment, and the basis of the thread, while seemingly everyone else has.

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    Re: Why is the god tree a giant douche bag?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryr View Post
    Why would a god willingly and joyfully share his power with mortals? Would an emperor gave away his power willingly?

    I think it is ridiculous to think that someone who got something stolen away from him would not be angry.
    Which god and which emperor? Why are those two used in equation in your post? Are all gods power hungry in your opinion? If there is a power hungry one, why couldn't a stupid or ridiculousgod exist too? They certainly do in other fantasy worlds.
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    Re: Why is the god tree a giant douche bag?

    Quote Originally Posted by Impossibility View Post
    Why would a tree create a fruit, when the entire purpose of a fruit is it for it to be consumed and then dispersed, and then subsequently get angered when the fruit is eaten? That is ridiculous. The tree decided to offer up its power when it put into a fruit. What's ridiculous is that you seem to be unable to grasp the obvious behind my comment, and the basis of the thread, while seemingly everyone else has.
    If the purpose of the fruit was that of a standard fruit then the tree would actually aim to create many fruits so that as many as possible can fulfill their purpose rather than just make a single fruit every age. Kurama made the point that the jubi was the origin of everything, it created life, mountains and other whatnots. If the shinju's purpose is to create the it is extremely likely the fruit itself is heavily linked to that creation. In light of that the fruit itself was almost certainly not meant to be eaten. Heck, if there is life in the world and the tree created life then the case can be made that there is already evidence that the fruit can work without it having to be eaten as otherwise there wouldn't have been a beginning to life. The fruit being eaten would be something that actually interfered with the real purpose of the fruit.

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    Re: Why is the god tree a giant douche bag?

    Quote Originally Posted by kkck View Post
    If the purpose of the fruit was that of a standard fruit then the tree would actually aim to create many fruits so that as many as possible can fulfill their purpose rather than just make a single fruit every age. Kurama made the point that the jubi was the origin of everything, it created life, mountains and other whatnots. If the shinju's purpose is to create the it is extremely likely the fruit itself is heavily linked to that creation. In light of that the fruit itself was almost certainly not meant to be eaten. Heck, if there is life in the world and the tree created life then the case can be made that there is already evidence that the fruit can work without it having to be eaten as otherwise there wouldn't have been a beginning to life. The fruit being eaten would be something that actually interfered with the real purpose of the fruit.
    Those are a lot of ifs, and if somewhere in there you could point to a specific purpose of and reason for the form of the fruit, then this would be simple. However, we've been given nothing other than it is a fruit that appeared every thousand years. The purpose of a fruit stands, until someone suggests that this fruit existed for some other reason. And linking fruit to creation is reasonable, yet it was mentioned that the fruit had appeared every thousand years, and it has yet to be mentioned what the fruit did on those occasions. And these things aside, my underlying criticism remains; if the Shinju is the creator of mountains and nations, a sentient creator, why put the effort into making something apparently immensely important into something obviously edible. It's asinine. Trees have been used as significant symbols in the past, the obvious comparison is to the Tree in Eden. However, that forbidden fruit served the purpose of temptation, testing Adam and Eve, and they were removed from Eden. The Shinju put out a fruit on display, apparently with power that it obviously had little desire to share with mankind, and with sufficient power to defeat it, without any apparent reason. That is nonsensical; the tree is either a dick, for whatever reason, or an idiot.

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    Re: Why is the god tree a giant douche bag?

    The tree was just sad that the princess ate it's baby. I mean it's been lonely for a long time, and he decided to have a baby peach tree to keep him company. Instead some hungry ass queen pops up and eats it. . Its just maternal instincts bros and bras.

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    Re: Why is the god tree a giant douche bag?

    Quote Originally Posted by Impossibility View Post
    Why would a tree create a fruit, when the entire purpose of a fruit is it for it to be consumed and then dispersed, and then subsequently get angered when the fruit is eaten? That is ridiculous.
    That's like asking why do guys have balls.

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    The tree decided to offer up its power when it put into a fruit. What's ridiculous is that you seem to be unable to grasp the obvious behind my comment, and the basis of the thread, while seemingly everyone else has.
    The only thing ridiculous here is your incapability of accepting the fact that trees bear fruits.

    It's a tree, and it bears a fruit. OMG IT'S ILLOGICAL!!!111!!!
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    Re: Why is the god tree a giant douche bag?

    Trees also bear chakara bearing super fruits that can stop wars. According to Naruto logic

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    Re: Why is the god tree a giant douche bag?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryr View Post
    That's like asking why do guys have balls.

    The only thing ridiculous here is your incapability of accepting the fact that trees bear fruits.

    It's a tree, and it bears a fruit. OMG IT'S ILLOGICAL!!!111!!!
    Your inability to grasp simple concepts is stunning. Trees grow fruits with the singular purpose of reproduction, the fruit acts as a medium for seed dispersal. For said dispersal, the fruit is consumed and the seeds spread by the consumer. The entire purpose of a fruit is to be eaten. The tree bearing fruit isn't illogical, the tree bearing a fruit with a desire for it to remain untouched, and expecting that to be so, is. Not all trees bear fruit, those that do do so to complete a singular aim. And considering that the tree in question is sentient, and a creator, providing it's power as an obviously edible product, and putting forth enough in said fruit to overcome it's own might, is nonsensical. Your analogy is asinine, as is your general response.

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    Re: Why is the god tree a giant douche bag?

    We are talking about a fruit from a tree which has the ability to transform into a monster and control the weather and stuff though. More so, the tree being the origin of life would have the actual direct implication that the fruit was by no means meant to be eaten. The tree being the origin of life and everything would imply that its fruit existed before there were any creatures with the capacity to eat it. Its only logical... More so, if the fruit had the actual purpose of reproduction there would be plenty of other god trees around. The fruit without a doubt has a function, it is simply not repruduction because, well, there is no evidence that the tree has ever actually reproduced in spite of it apparently having been around for enough time to be the origin of life.

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    Re: Why is the god tree a giant douche bag?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanadan View Post
    Ok, so i touched on this in another thread but maybe it can have it's own since It is something that kind of needs to be explained.

    A tree produces fruit for a simple reason, to get other organisms to eat it and poop the seeds out in another place in order for new trees to grow. It's actually a very smart way of ensuring that the plants can get planted in other areas as well as gaining nutrition from the manuer.

    With the god tree how ever it produces a fruit, fills it with chakra and then doesn't want anyone to eat it or it's coming to kill them. Obviously the fruit wasn't ment for reproduction either since no one was supposed to eat it.
    Now if this chakra was so important that it actually turned biblical and went crazy at the one that ate it, why did it even produce a chakra filled fruit to begin with?
    It's not going to make more trees, the fruit is not supposed to be eaten according to the tree and it wants it's chakra.

    This is like Adam and Eve, "here is a fruit, don't eat it, it's there to....not get eaten......because".

    Does anyone have a theory on this? Because now it just seems like this plant is a giant douche bag.
    In a way, i think it's more like an old Dragonball Z movie called "The Tree of Might", which was amazingly deflating at first. But... oh well.

    TBH... I want to think outside the box on this. Not say that it's just a test like Genesis, or any other story for that matter. I am not trying to be facetious, but maybe we can say that the "God Tree" isn't just a tree, and I don't mean that as a metaphor. Maybe it's more than a tree - it's not just a plant, or an animal. Obviously, right? But hear me out... maybe it's supposed to be something completely new. In the world of the Narutoverse, maybe this is the 'beginning', and the 'ending', as the 9 tails once mentioned.

    A lot of people think that it's taking from the story of Genesis and others (Even Avatar). But it could also be from "the Secret Life of Plants" as well in which the world is so interconnected, and an organism in the grand scheme of things is more than just an 'ant', or a 'tree', or a 'bear', etc. Also, Kishimoto could be taking some bits from fantastic fantasy stories from 'our' world as well, like "The Hobbitt" and Lord of the Rings - remember the "Ents"?

    I think it's too early to dismiss Kishimoto's goal here. He's taking a swing at something right now, and it could go in a variety of ways. I've been reading this manga for several years now like everyone else, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and see where this goes.

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