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It wasn't until Kishin mode is use that Oni score some points from Kintarou, I think. Not even 10 ball steal points from him. And with Kishin mode, Oni power is clearly no longer at #5.
I said it before, Kintarou was beter than Hakamada but he couldn't return his Vanish. Once he did, he owned. He wasn't hiding any potential.
I don't think that a Hs would tell Tooyama off btw, lol
Kaji is in the medical room and is unlikely to play again. That means he got dominated.
Oni with 10 balls and BJK but without Kishin is a strong guy with unkown potential as he (as far as we know) never played against a decent rival this way, and when he did he was getting "destroyed" by Tooyama. Kishin dominated Kaji, yes... so? It's a godlike Aura, good enough to beat Byoudouin ffs, dunno what's your point there.
Kishin Oni might be above #5, but on the other hand 10 balls and BJK isn't good enough for tthat spot.
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210 balls seems op btw ^^
He didn't play at that level in the camp until he crushed Kaji and til he brought it out against Tooyama and then the court went on fire.
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I think BJK Oni +10 balls can defeat Ohmagari.
So, I think usual Oni is #5. Kishin Oni is much higher.
Since the coach on the mountain did say you can beat Oni if you can do 10-ball, it stands to reason that Oni normally keeps his power level at below the 10-ball level.
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Kintaro even says "I'm keeping up with your pace Oni." It's not like Kintaro was destroying Oni when he used the ten ball strike.
Since Kintaro beat Hakamada without even being serious, we can infer that there are at most a handful of guys in the entire camp that can beat a 5-ball capable guy. Keep in mind Oni's power is mysterious but it can't be like the usual 'mysterious as in never losing' because then there wouldn't be anything mysterious about that. People would just say oh it's Oni the guy who never loses. If you look at the way other people talk about him, outside of those who know him back in H1 most people obviously thought he's someone who can be beaten. I don't see how that's possible if he regularly even uses 10-ball level power, unless the guys challenging him are just downright insane.
"Most people?" When Oni was first introduced, it sure didn't seem like anyone on the lower courts thought that way, given that Oni was said to beat down everyone who tries to advance past 5th court. Taira and Hara looked pretty scared too at the mere sight of a Black Jack Knife. Byoudouin, Tanegashima and Duke probably beat Oni at some point, and Tokugawa and Irie are maybes, but I don't see why Oni would have had to have lost against anyone else.