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I guess that he thought Eren would be more likely to go with them if they convinced him (he wouldn't put up a fight either). If they tried to just grab him he would transform and fight (like he did). It makes sense to at least ask first. Plus Reiner could be in soldier mode or a bit of him could be. Berthold didn't want him to but as said he has no will of his own.
Actually, I don't think it has to do just with Reiner's soldier persona. I think all three agreed not to break the walls anymore and instead just focus on capturing Eren only. Why? Because maybe of the massive guilt they felt when they broke Wall Maria. I don't think they want to soak their hands in blood any further than they already have and mass-murder two more times again. That's why they focused on a strategy that they'd think would create less casualties within the walls. Then, Reiner of course lost it and revealed their identities after.
But seeing the progression of the story and if Bert were to hold true to his words in that moment with Armin, they may actually switch back to destruction of the walls, get Annie and possibly capture Eren. Of course, if they're smart enough. XD.
That's what I was wondering about what Armin said to Bertolt. Although it's true he believes he has no will of his own, Bert comes up with ideas of his own and acts according to his own personal feelings like anyone else. It was his own idea, for example, that they could go back to their hometown at that moment they saw the beast titan (but "Soldier Reiner" got confused and messed it up by outing himself and Bert to Eren right away instead of devising a careful plan to kidnap Eren (& Ymir?) and sneak off WITH essentials like food and water. He was influenced by Reiner forgiving Ymir because she was mindless when she ate Berik, but he still felt the need to ask her if she remembered anything about the incident. Then there's the situation with Armin. *Personally* I don't think Bert really means that he would kill everyone but if I'm wrong and he does, then Armin just threw away everyone in the walls for Eren.
I don't see what Bert's team could do even with that, unless they can team up with others titans. Armin's info is most likely false. If they succeed to bring back Eren, they'll make preparations to be ready if the Colossal Titan attack. Annie can be used as an hostage too. Sure, a lot of persons will die if he attacks but it's nothing compared to all the informations they can get, Armin probably thought like that(and Erwin would agree).
Too many people died because of RBA's actions already, Erwin can't afford to lose any more innocent lives like in Stohess.
Actually the reason why I said if they are "smart enough" is because if they actually realize that Armin's info about Annie's location is false. I mean, what kind of enemy would give you the real location of your intended goal? The concentration of soldiers would likely be in both Utopia district and Stohess district rather than the other two. But if they actually decide on attacking the walls again and if they realized that Armin's info was false before they make a move, they could pretty much attack any parts of the walls. From the gates, to the actual wall. Let the Colossus Titans sleeping in the walls walk free (Armin's fear XD). It would make the strategy to fight against RB pretty shaky since like I said, most soldiers would either be placed in Stohess or Utopia district.
But I guess that's even less likely. Considering how BR are in a panick-y mode right now and how they're not really as smart as Armin let alone Commander Erwin. Best bet is that they'd find that Beast Titan and ask for help. XD. They looked surprisingly happy when they saw the Beast Titan in Castle Utgard, according to Ymir. So they probably knew the Beast Titan and is less likely that it's one of RBA's enemy.
But what Bert said is actually just a spur of the moment. We don't know if he really means it, unless he grumbles in the next chapter or two saying he'll gut those sons of the devils, play around their bodies and spin them like yo-yos. That's when we'll know he's actually serious. XDD
Last edited by Yumpo; September 25, 2013 at 03:31 PM.
As for the Beast Titan, dunno if he'd actually help them that way if they are indeed on the same side. This is their mission, after all...
Well, Berthold titan's form is not that quick. So he couldn't fight against all the brigade (as when he transformed and they almost got him). And for Reiner... don't think he alone could do something... or well, Annie and Reiner may be the difference.
One thing I'm asking is:
Was their mission taking Eren away since the first attack? And if so, why? I mean, back then Eren couldn't transform into Titan because he wasn't inyected. Why did they break the wall? Was another mission or what?
I think their mission is what will make all this clear. We know they need to take Eren. But was that their goal back then? Now they know Eren can transform. Now they know Ymir can do. And wow, now with the last chapter having a flash and smiley appearing. Will they want to take him with them too?
It seems like their mission is to find those different shifters. If you take a look, RBA titan's form are without skin, only flesh and bones. Eren and Ymir titan's form are with skin, are different types of transformations... so as Smiley (if it's true he's really a shifter).
I don't know, I'm really confused with all of this :C ... but it's good to see all this theories running here I hope someone find the answer and we'll see that later in the manga displayed
PS: Another thing... wasn't Berthold too small to use a 3D manauver back then when he broke the wall?
As for Ymir, Ymir was just a normal Titan until he ate Berick, so there's nothing unusal about her (except for the knowledge she possess), but R & B apparently wants her anyway, presumably because they don't want Mankind within the Walls to obtain any information on the Titans. Either way, if you read her conversation with R & B in chapter 46, it's clear that she's not indispensable to them (unlike Eren)...
Last edited by DarkLordOfKichiku; September 27, 2013 at 08:42 AM.
it seems that the ape titan is totally unrelated matter to eren, if still a priority. the titans he lead into the attack were odd, moviing at night and seemingly made from humans. they were told to locate it. perhaps the entire reason the wall was destroyed was to somehow garner the itnerest of the ape titan far as we know.
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had he more experience in his titan form he would probably be an overwhelming threat.