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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
The strongest shinigami is the one who doesn't need his zan anymore. Ichigo reached this state briefly when he was in his 3rd form. Aizen had almost reached this state before Urahara's kidou sealed him completely. I also suspect that the strongest RG member without his zan is also a member of this "no zan club". What do you think?
Well I believe this is a never-ending discussion but my guess is with one of the RG, Ichigo is not a 100% Shinigami, and Aizen got help from the hogyoku... his Shinigami powers reach their limit agains Isshin... so RG has to be... taking them out of the pic, Yama-Ji, Kenpachi, Unohana are top three and based on what she said to Kenpachi she is STRONGER than anyone but him.
The strongest Shinigami we have seen fight, imo is Mugen Ichigo and Ascended Aizen. But a case could be made for these:
Yama: stated no one is strong enough to take his mantle.
Aizen: is comparable in strength to Yama.
Kisuke: is on the same level, if not stronger than a pre Hougoku Aizen.
Shunsui + Jushiro: Both have been unsurpassed within the past 1000 years.
Retsu: stated no one but Kenpachi is stronger than her.
Kenpachi: is Kenpachi.
Yamamoto stands at the top.
Uohana was and never will be the strongest. Bach said that Yamamoto the top notch fighter of the Killers he assembled. Why she is calling herself the strongest even though she knows better is besides me. There are at least five Shinigamis stronger than her:
Isshin, Tessai(will undo all of he amazing Kidou ability's),Aizen (shinigami),Kirinji before he got promoted to RG and all the other RG too+Yamamoto.
Aizen Im not quite so sure with the RG members around
Shunsui should be together with Uki below Retsu and Keny as sad as it is should above all the charaters below Aizen....
Last edited by ReiWen; October 03, 2013 at 10:49 AM.
1. Yama is obviously the strongest Shinigami, since he was CC of Gotei 13 for more than 1000 years.
2. Then it seems there are Royal Guards, Isshin and Aizen.
3. Then is Shunsui (he is a CC now and when he became one Unohana was still there, so since CC is the strongest Shinigami according to Yama, then he was the strongest Shinigami of Gotei) and Kenpachiafter taking down Unohana.
I won't rate other Shinigami. I just stated the top. About Ichigo it's a special thing. He isn't a pure Shinigami, but a hybrid. Still according to his fight with Kirge and his performance later in the War and his power-up after getting his real Shinigami powers he might have become the strongest one in the history of Gotei surpassing Yama and maybe even considerably, but we can't mesure it unless we actually see it.
Last edited by Jorge D. Dragon; October 03, 2013 at 11:58 AM.
Final Get. Ichigo. HANDS DOWNN BROS AND BRAS
In my mind, Yama is apparently the most powerful shinigami, and Unohana and Kenachi take honourable mentions. Ichigo is something else entirely, and Aizen's victories were inspired by the Hogyoku and his meticulous plotting. Until the Royal Guards and the two other seniors show something to suggest otherwise, that's the way I see it.
By the logic that you put Urahara, because tou put Aizen on the list. You should put Isshin, Yoru and Tessai,, but I don;t see what Aizen have to do with all of this.... are they one his level? Maybe Isshin pretty sure is.....
Oh and Kyou and Shun when working together are powerfull but separated they should be below Unohana
Well the royal guards should be put on the strongest shinigami list since the 5 of them are as or even more powerful than the entire Gotei 13.
The strongest of the royal guards being Tenjirō Kirinji who makes Unohama even speechless and Ichibei Hyōsube who looks to be the boss of them.
Last edited by druzod; October 04, 2013 at 03:31 PM.
Because Kisuke is indeed one of the smartest guy in Bleach but he's not outstanding powerful compared to the other shinigami.
"Non of those two was a shinigami at this point so.... what your point?"
If a type of bird walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then I classify it as a duck.
I selected Ichigo and Aizen because they know what's like on hyperplane of power, maybe Isshin knows a thing a 2 about this. Next, it feels safe to choose the strongest RG without zan to put on the list next to these 2 different kind of monsters. Well, Yamamoto is long dead, I don't see the point talking about him being the strongest anymore. The main intention is discussing about powerful shinigami without zan, not some shinigami who still depend their lives on their zan in order to survive.