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Translations: Bleach 595 (2)
I really don't see luffy allying with anyone since roger didn't as we saw during the Edd war.
Gol isn't Luffy and neither is reverse, there are parallels betweem those characters, their attitude, but it would be deadly dull if their end would be similar too. Luffy will have to win where Roger failed at, Luffy will be more than Roger ever was if the series will have a positive ending.
OP, a series about failed fathers.
Last edited by Schabrak; October 27, 2013 at 08:47 AM.
Actually that's what I find enjoyful about this manga . I love seeing the beautiful world Oda is always drawing for us as well as the unique characters.
By the way, the biggest issue - and the only one I have - with alliances is the highly increased number of protagonists which prevents proper character development of the SH crew and their enemies. If Oda wishes he can add another 5-10 (allied) members but then I expect him to add another 5 years of chapters to the already implicitly announced timespan.
Apart from that, the SH had in every arc many allies so it isn't that special if Oda holds onto a few for a bit longer and at the same time including some strategic behavior during their adventures.
Last edited by yieps; October 27, 2013 at 01:35 PM.
Yeah I get that it's a world where the men go to sea, I honestly wouldn't want many female officers due to the chance of rape, especially in the Grandline or worse New World, but many "fathers" of OP did chose to disappear and never come back. Yassop and remorse? Never seen a tiny bit of that, nor from Dragon or Gol. Of course someone had to take care of Ace since he tortured his "loved" wife throughout months with the long pregnancy, all because he had to create a new life, even while knowing that the child would be damned as long as the World Goverment would be reigned by the Tenryuubuto and the five elders. If one has to look for a bad father figure, OP dads are often a good pick, what an uncaring bunch. While Luffy didn't care because he never knew his dad to begin with, most irl children would despise such a dad, picking the world and freedom/world freedom over family. A card, a word, anything at all would have been "something", but they didn't even try to make some contact as far as we know.
Last edited by Schabrak; October 27, 2013 at 04:16 PM.
We don't know whether or not Roger turned down other offers as none of the whitnesses of that time ever said anything about Roger never accepting allies.
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^ Just stop it dude, your arguments are so thin I confused them with air by accident. Whitebeard (The strongest man in the world) was allied with over 40 crews that had sworn their allegiance to him, and loved him like a father, that/those isn't/aren't an alliance/alliances to you? You are basing your whole hence-forth argument on something so trivial as what Sanji said back on PH? Jeez that scene was for comic relief more than anything else.
Shiki wanted to ally himself with Roger simply because Roger knew of the location of an ancient weapon. Roger refused the alliance because he wanted to continue living as a free man roaming the seas, he wasn't interested in world domination what so ever.
It isn't paradox as only Yasopp's leave caused a personal tragedy. No such trauma was caused by any decisions Roger or Dragon made. Ace began to hate his father because of his absence and legacy that isolated Ace, nothing Roger could've foreseen and prevented. It's not Roger's fault that the Marines caused a genocide and pursued Ace simply because of his blood.
Anyway, further you're just dismantling the manga for its lack of realism which is absurd. As I said the manga doesn't depict fathers as a topic just because some protagonists are fathers nor does it portray their actions as failures.
And since Luffy doesn't plan to expand his crew beyond 10 people, he will need allies more than anything when he takes on the WG at full force.
Dadan being a relatively "good" foster parent despite all her harshness at times doesn't take away from all those dads being poor/bad parents.
- Yassop rather partied and drank wine and beer with Shanks while his wife was ill and suffering in bed, trying to create a positive image of her husband for her son.
- Dragon, never took care of Luffy, never provided an upkeep, house, love, closeness, nothing. He left his son to the village.
- Gol rather impragnated and made love to a woman, then leave her suffering for a year and more leading to her death shortly after birth, only to follow his own belief in creating a Pirate Age. Gol letting Garp take care of Ace doesn't take away a bit from his seflish behaviour, which lead to a dead women and a child who never really had a father figure. Don't forget that Gol knew that his heir would be hunted down by the marine forces and pirates alike if they learned about his true identity. He knew exactly what he had done to his son.
All three would be looked down upon in our society, surely they would be in yours too.
I'm not talking about men in OP, I'm talking about fathers. How about you think for yourself instead of taking everything the manga provides as cold truth. Oda not openly writing that they were horrible as "fathers" doesn't take away from them being so. And he surely did depict fathers as a topic, the whole Whitebeard theme is about fatherless children and men alike being taken care of because their real dads are such failures or for whatever other reason they had to not be there.
Makes me wonder what you've been thinking while reading this manga...
Last edited by Schabrak; October 28, 2013 at 04:06 AM.