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Thread: Fairy Tail 355 Discussion / 356 Predictions

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    Re: Fairy Tail 355 Spoilers

    Quote Originally Posted by hoeru View Post
    See, if you don't feel entertained by Fairy Tail, you're free not to "waste any more time with it". It's an overly simple formula. I tossed both Bleach and Naruto and gave my German volumes away for free for them being overly dumb and incredibly stalled, so Jump and Shueisha can milk those cows some months longer.

    It's not the FT fans that are any delusional about spending more time to FT because we expect it to become "more serious" or having "less fan service" or to be more like "Jump manga". Most of us actually read FT just because we take it the way it is and the way we get it. If you can't stand that, be my guest, and ignore me.

    There's naked characters in it. C'mon, get finally a life, it's not porn, and Mashima did such fan service in his earlier works already, so there's nothing surprising about that. You're making a mountain out of a dust speck - as you guys always do. And calling either Mashima or FT fans "pervs", just because there's actually readers that don't instantly hate the chapter for containing fan service, is just downright retarded. Yeah, of course, in the end "no one did that".

    See, it would even be great if you bashers could at least hold yourselves back that much NOT to post spoilers in the discussion thread of the previous chapter (so at least to spend that much time to read and follow the forum rules). But you even give a shit for them just to bash FT.
    I think that bashing a manga equals saying: "This is a shitty manga!" or something along those lines.....
    But it seems to me that no one here said something like that; in fact I have seen people who were just giving their opinion about the current chapter and not the whole manga....
    I don't know if you were refering to me with that "those who bash FT", but I'll still say to you that I really like FT and also those fan services that it has.
    However I just think, as many others, that this time Mashima overdid a bit with this, especially considering the young audience to which FT is destined...
    You want to know if I liked this week's chapter? Yes I did and also the fan service, even though, as I already said, Mashima exploited it to much in this chapter, risking to make his own manga just a load of Boobies and asses, which isn't true, considering that the plot of this manga is awesome.
    That's my opinion and I believe I expressed it without sounding rude or anything else.

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    Re: Fairy Tail 355 Spoilers

    Quote Originally Posted by hoeru View Post
    See, if you don't feel entertained by Fairy Tail, you're free not to "waste any more time with it". It's an overly simple formula. I tossed both Bleach and Naruto and gave my German volumes away for free for them being overly dumb and incredibly stalled, so Jump and Shueisha can milk those cows some months longer.

    It's not the FT fans that are any delusional about spending more time to FT because we expect it to become "more serious" or having "less fan service" or to be more like "Jump manga". Most of us actually read FT just because we take it the way it is and the way we get it. If you can't stand that, be my guest, and ignore me.

    There's naked characters in it. C'mon, get finally a life, it's not porn, and Mashima did such fan service in his earlier works already, so there's nothing surprising about that. You're making a mountain out of a dust speck - as you guys always do. And calling either Mashima or FT fans "pervs", just because there's actually readers that don't instantly hate the chapter for containing fan service, is just downright retarded. Yeah, of course, in the end "no one did that".

    See, it would even be great if you bashers could at least hold yourselves back that much NOT to post spoilers in the discussion thread of the previous chapter (so at least to spend that much time to read and follow the forum rules). But you even give a shit for them just to bash FT.
    Y'know what distinguishes Mashima from all other Ecchi manga the likes of To-Love-Ru?? it's that he knows how to mix them with the main plotline and move them along all the while showing off the characters. I see the fanservice in this chapter as something more like a side dish paired with the main course. Think of it as a blob of delicious mashed potato on the side of your plate with the big, juicy steak.

    Hell, there's plenty of fanservice for the female readers too in this manga. So if anybody starts calling Mashima "sexist" about the fanservice with the girls, then how would you call Gray's constant tripping and naked, ripped-looking Natsu in this chapter?? I see nobody complaining about Gray's fanservice and Natsu. And yet Mashima gets a lot of flak when it comes to the girls.

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    Re: Fairy Tail 355 Spoilers

    Quote Originally Posted by Zasz View Post
    I think that bashing a manga equals saying: "This is a shitty manga!" or something along those lines.....
    Nope. The bashing is simply hidden within pseudo-neutral and arrogant formulation while reducing the current chapter or even the whole manga on just one single aspect - in this case now characters being nude. Whenever Fairy Tail wins, it's that they're winning while calling for some bullshit like a "Nakama powerup" (which actually is an "emotional powerup" which happens in like every single popular manga). The more tropes identified and brought up in a "critic" the more the post is intended to troll. It's actually very simple to decipher.

    There's a tendency to write like that especially from fans of Jump manga and people who say they have "a lot of friends thinking the same way" or they "already read a lot of other manga".

    Quote Originally Posted by Zasz View Post
    I don't know if you were refering to me with that "those who bash FT", but I'll still say to you that I really like FT and also those fan services that it has.
    However I just think, as many others, that this time Mashima overdid a bit with this, especially considering the young audience to which FT is destined...
    Just because FT is a Shonen, it does not adress just to young people - it's just sold in a Shounen magazine, and that's why it's a shounen. And each magazine has a slightly different target audieence.

    And again: There's nothing wrong with mixed bathing from a Japanese point-of-view as those scenes clearly show the characters' family bonds. Especially the parts about washing one else's back...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zasz View Post
    You want to know if I liked this week's chapter? Yes I did and also the fan service, even though, as I already said, Mashima exploited it to much in this chapter, risking to make his own manga just a load of Boobies and asses, which isn't true, considering that the plot of this manga is awesome.
    That's my opinion and I believe I expressed it without sounding rude or anything else.
    To me, that was only a bathing scene. I know what cultural base is behind it and how to interpret it, so I don't see any sexually suggestions, not even any lolicon by bringing up a Wendy bathing. And I really hate any lolicon stuff. But yeah, people (not you) need probably to post panels to show how wrong I am.

    And you're actually much less rude than you're avatar implies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Newkerzy View Post
    Hell, there's plenty of fanservice for the female readers too in this manga. So if anybody starts calling Mashima "sexist" about the fanservice with the girls, then how would you call Gray's constant tripping and naked, ripped-looking Natsu in this chapter?? I see nobody complaining about Gray's fanservice and Natsu. And yet Mashima gets a lot of flak when it comes to the girls.
    Because that's the usual bigotry. Show us naked muscular men, and the world is saved. Show us a naked and well-shaped woman, and the world is doomed.

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    Re: Fairy Tail 355 Discussion / 356 Predictions

    Dang it. The chapter came out a day earlier than I was expecting. (Which would be good it I'd thought to check anyway, but I didn't)

    Well, I have to admit that I was impressed with this chapter. It was simply amazing how those leaves always managed to be in just the right place, wasn't it?

    As a girl, I don't care that Mashima does this. I suppose it's objectifying, but he's not the worst case I read anyway and he's got much stronger female characters than a lot of other stories. And I also greatly appreciate that very few men in this series keep their abs covered. The only major reason I don't like fanservice chapters is just because of the reactions they get (the only other reason is the potential for someone who does care to look over my shoulder). Too many people getting up in arms about how objectifying it is or how those other people are offended too easily. I like arguing, but it stops being fun when people get too emotional about it. That's usually more an issue I see on other sites I use than it is here, but... meh. There's nothing wrong with having a negative opinion about it or debating whether or not it was needed or okay or whatever, I just like it better when everyone's in total shock over something like the island vanishing and seven years passing.

    Not much plot progression, but it's nice to finally hear something about Tataros. They were introduced over 200 chapters ago, I believe, so it's about time we started learning what's up with them. And the Book of Zeref too. I always figured it was a term for any old spell Zeref was strongly associated with/created, but it seems it's a physical object. I wonder if their are more copies in the hands of other villains? Or the royal family even, since the Eclipse Gate was supposed to be from the Book of Zeref.

    TL;DR I don't care much for the reaction, but people are within their rights to be offended by this. Also, plot things were interesting.
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    Re: Fairy Tail 355 Discussion / 356 Predictions

    Please direct any further discussion on the fanservice in the manga to this thread.

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    Re: Fairy Tail 355 Discussion / 356 Predictions

    Wow this chapter was a big eye opener LOL! Erza nude with Natsu...I wonder how he can keep washing her back without jumping her right away...oh yeah it's because she can kill him, ahahaha! Oh man that pic of Erza on bended four...I just explode.

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    Re: Fairy Tail 355 Discussion / 356 Predictions

    I already wrote my thought about the fanservice in this chapter in the the thread "Fanservice if Fairy Tail" so now I will write about it here.
    Commenting seriously the chapter I think is it strange that Tartaros has the Zeref's book, since I have always thought from what said Hades that GH had the book.
    But perhaps Kain or Rustyrose took the book of Zeref after the death of Hades, if Zeref does not killed him.
    Another possibility is that the book of Zeref that Hades had was a fake, I think that would be great if someone modified the book and then gave it to Hades (perhaps it is for that reason that Hades was wrong in key's thing), or at least his demon eye could have have been modified, perhaps from Tartarus guildmaster, if it is a demon created by Zeref.

    In the truth there is even a third possibility.
    I have thought about it after remembering the flashback that Urtear had in chapter 335 We discovered that Urtear read serverl books and that after that she discovered Last Ages.
    In this case then there is the possibility that Hades had not the book of Zeref, but read about the Zeref's keys in one of those an.cient book (even all the others lost magic that had the members of GH could have contained in several books).

    Anyways if Tartarus will have really the book of Zereff, there is the possibility that they can create demons, even if in the truth counting that Silver seem to hate demons I doubt that He would join a guild that worships them.
    I even doubt that they are able to create demons using Zeref's book, otherwise they would not need to gather new members.
    But perhaps they wants to transforms the new members in demon, in this case then Minerva could have been really transformed in one of them, even if I hope that this will not be the case, I hope that Minerva remained an human, I just hope only that her power increased, at least for now.
    Anyways I believe that Doriate was not an human that was tranformed in a demon, because if he would have survived the power up, I would not remained in Succubus eye, but he would have joined Tartarus, just like I believe will happen to Minerva.

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    Re: Fairy Tail 355 Discussion / 356 Predictions

    Thread has a poll about the fan service, can't discuss poll in thread.
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    Re: Fairy Tail 355 Discussion / 356 Predictions

    Can't discuss in too offensive and non-constructive a fashion. The idea was that people would likely have voted good/bad/boring based on what they thought of the fanservice anyway, but maybe it wasn't the best poll, all things considered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marche View Post
    I already wrote my thought about the fanservice in this chapter in the the thread "Fanservice if Fairy Tail" so now I will write about it here.
    Commenting seriously the chapter I think is it strange that Tartaros has the Zeref's book, since I have always thought from what said Hades that GH had the book.
    But perhaps Kain or Rustyrose took the book of Zeref after the death of Hades, if Zeref does not killed him.
    Zeref's magic has shown up a few times in the hands of others, so it's possible that the book isn't the only place where you can find his spells. I like the idea of Kain or Rusty Rose having taken the book, though. It could explain why Hades knew Zeref's magic better than most we've seen, and while it's highly possible that Zeref killed them, I don't think we ever learned what became of those two. Proof that they're alive beats speculation that they're dead.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marche View Post
    Anyways if Tartarus will have really the book of Zereff, there is the possibility that they can create demons, even if in the truth counting that Silver seem to hate demons I doubt that He would join a guild that worships them.
    I even doubt that they are able to create demons using Zeref's book, otherwise they would not need to gather new members.
    But perhaps they wants to transforms the new members in demon, in this case then Minerva could have been really transformed in one of them, even if I hope that this will not be the case, I hope that Minerva remained an human, I just hope only that her power increased, at least for now.
    Anyways I believe that Doriate was not an human that was tranformed in a demon, because if he would have survived the power up, I would not remained in Succubus eye, but he would have joined Tartarus, just like I believe will happen to Minerva.
    I don't think we know enough about Silver yet. We've got seven dragon slayers who only recently met dragons they disliked enough to slay. While Silver has had a line about eating demons, he may not mind having one working along side him, or more likely under his control. Having a devil slayer among demon worshipers does sound strange, but it could be something simple. Like he helps with damage control when a demon doesn't care for it's worshipers, and he gets good opponents out of it. He doesn't necessarily have to follow his guild's ideals to be one of their stronger members.

    I love the idea of Minerva being turned into a demon, though. After everything else, I really don't want her to turn good down the road, and her becoming a demon could be a good way to make her villain status permanent without wearing her out. If they have to defeat her, then she may even serve as a reminder/motive the next time they deal with someone being drawn evil. Like if Rogue's shadow starts to take over, possibly.

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    Re: Fairy Tail 355 Discussion / 356 Predictions

    So much erza love !!! I almost needed a sanji style transfusion
    I find it entertaining how she wants to bathe with natsu and gray in a sibling tupe relationship but they are both totall against it


    but if nothing else this chapter was informative and let us know a bit more about tartaros

    Now we can anticipate perhaps one of the more action packed epic arcs of the series to date

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    Minerva would be badass as a demon

    of course that does eliminate any chance of her being turned into a good guy
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    Re: Fairy Tail 355 Discussion / 356 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Kisame Hoshigaki View Post

    of course that does eliminate any chance of her being turned into a good guy
    Does it really? Not in FT, I have to read it to believe. I still remember what happen in the past.
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    Re: Fairy Tail 355 Discussion / 356 Predictions

    Minerva turning into a demon opens the door for her redemption.

    It could be a simple case when FT defeats minerva, the demon is defeated and she is able to see the world in better light.


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    Re: Fairy Tail 355 Discussion / 356 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by nitsthegame View Post
    Minerva turning into a demon opens the door for her redemption.

    It could be a simple case when FT defeats minerva, the demon is defeated and she is able to see the world in better light.
    which would make erza's plea to minerva a few chapters ago serve as some nice foreshadowing

    part of me wants minerva to stay bad, i like villains who remain villains

    but i would also be ok with erza possilby helping a demon minerva find the light

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    Re: Fairy Tail 355 Discussion / 356 Predictions

    The next chapter title is called prologue to Tartarus arc.
    In this case we could see others members of Tartarus, perhaps all the 9 Kyuukimon members of Tartarus, even if perhaps we will see the one that we don't know in the shadow.
    In the truth I hope that we will not see only them.
    Perhaps even if I believe it is too soon we will see what happened to Minerva.
    Infact I would prefer if at the start we will return to guild, the five member returned to the guild, we could see even their reactions to what they have learned from the others.
    I want to see Lluvia, since she is my favourite character of Fairy Tail, I really would like to see her reaction if Happy will say her that Gray saw Erza and Lucy completely naked (even if I believe that this is unlikely).

    Another unlikely thing is that Flare will join Fairy Tail, even if I am sure that She will appear again in the future, since I am sure that we will see Tartarus and their followers, perhaps even with Oracion Seis (in the truth I don't know if OS will be from Tartarus side or against them, even if I would prefer if Angel, Cobra and Hoteye will be allied of Fairy Tail, while the others member will be from Tartarus side) against an alliance of all the guilds, an alliance composed by all the guilds that partecipated to the tournament.
    This time the alliance will be authorized or perhaps even promoted by the Council of magic.

    Then I believe we will see the Magical council where they will discuss the new informations that they received by Fairy Tail (Minerva, the ice demon slayer and the fact that perhaps Tartarus has the Zeref's book).
    I really would like if We will see even Gerard and Meldy, perhaps because they will be informed by Mest, even if I don't think this will be the case.
    At the end as I already said We will finally see some members of Tartarus.

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    Re: Fairy Tail 355 Discussion / 356 Predictions

    i am a huge fan of the erza-minerva rivarly

    i hope minerva isnt gone forever

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