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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
Just to set the record straight, like Ace4 said, Lightning isn't the same as light. Lightning which is made of electrical charges (usually electrons which is the lightest of all the charged particles between protons, ions etc.) has a maximum speed of about 1/10th the speed of light. And the heat that comes with lightning is only a result of the charged particles heating up and ionizing the air around it as it moves through (if it was in a vacuum there wouldn't be much to be heated by the lightning as its energy would be contained plainly in the charged particles).
Its still true though that throughout history lightning has been associated with gods (Jupiter, Zeus, etc.) And that was pointed out in the Skypea arc; and there isn't much distinction given to the differences between light, lightning and heat since advanced study of physics and molecular structure only started more recently in history.
Anyways, I think out of the logia abilities, whichever is the strongest will be whatever Oda says it is simply because the abilities don't strictly have to follow the laws of physics. For example, we seem to have a darkness fruit, levitation fruit(?), and a gravity fruit(?) which are basically all effects of the same thing. Same with gas fruit, smoke fruit and flame fruit to some extent.
I don't think you can compare the heat from lightning with the heat of flame or the heat of magma though because they're due to different kinds of heat transfer (diffusion, convection, and conduction respectively)
Those other examples aren't really that bad in comparison to ice/sbow logia. Snow is just tiny pieces of ice. Anything Monet was able to do, Aokiji should have been able to do as well.
Last edited by Razh; October 11, 2013 at 04:41 PM.
Because of this, I originally thought when the darkness fruit was revealed that it was gravity in its entirety which turned out not to be the case (that was before Shiki's levitation was introduced). If there really was a fruit that controlled gravity in all of its aspects it would really be the most hax fruit because being able to control gravity to the extent of creating a black hole would mean you could also control time (because of special relativity effects).
But it seems Oda created different fruits like noro noro (slowing down time), darkness (black hole/sucking away stuff), levitation (reducing gravitational effects), kilo kilo (reducing mass/weight), and now a localized gravitational type fruit so as to assign different degrees of power to different people without making any one of them too overpowered as an ability.
Last edited by Anduren; October 11, 2013 at 05:50 PM.
Oh! I didn't know lightening didn't travel at the speed of light! :O
But on what you said just now, it is not true light cannot escape from a black hole, It's true it can't escape but it doesn't get absorbed either, it becomes immobile for millenia, as there is an equal pull from the black hole towards it, as the pull from the light to "get away" from the black hole.
kind like so
Light does not become immobile. All that may happen is, that light is bended that much by a massive object that it "orbits" that object.
Like hoeru said, if the light is passing by further away than the event horizon, it just get pulled in just a little and its path gets curved. If it passes by too close, the light particles fall in to the black hole and once something gets past the event horizon, not even light can move fast enough to get out which is where the black hole as a source of absolute darkness comes in.
Normally, I wouldn't think so much about physics as it applies to mangas but I remember even a long time ago Oda often took breaks to research what he was going to write about so I can imagine he wouldn't take these kinds of things too lightly when he creates abilities and such.
Woah...this thread has become a science lecture!
^ Still way better than pseudo-science something like rubber is absolutely indestructible so this is the main reason for some people think that Luffy can eat as many df as he wants without exploding to dead.
I wonder how plasma fits into this, when I say plasma I think about the central core of nuclear fusion, quite different from fire, laser or electricity. In the anime I saw lots of green gas flowing around when Dragon used his power, I'm not sure whether it is kind of radioactive gas (Radon) or maybe the anime isn't reliable at all.
Or he could shoot projectiles made of darkness and call them Black Comet or something. Or at least extend the darkness in the form of a projectile.
I'm still hoping the fruit will show more powers next time Bb fights.
As for plasma, its just another fluid. The only difference between plasma, gas, and liquid is the amount of energy the molecules in the fluid has. When the molecules have so much energy that they start losing electrons and becoming ionized is when a gas becomes a plasma state (if I remember right).
I was thinking on the subject of Monet and Aokiji, plus the whole "aren't DF's A, B and C similar?"
Isn't the difference between Aokiji and Monet's powers kind of that Aokiji could only form ice though? While Monet seemed more into making snow... They are similar if you looked at them scientifically I guess, but visually it seems to make more sense... Like looking at what Aokiji created, it was all proper solid Ice based, while everything Monet made seemed more Snow.
Just to be certain there's no confusion, this is what snow actually is:
Ice crystals. Shitloads of them together are what makes snow. A person whose ability is to freeze stuff and turn himself into ice should be able to form anything from ice cubes and icyicles, to ice vapor and snow. That's what makes Monet's fruit a stretch. But it's not like I don't get Oda. He can't limit himself like that, otherwise there wouldn't be more than 5-6 logias existing.
I just hope we some day don't get to see some kind of stone or rock logia, featuring big pieces of rock, instead of tiny little rocks that Crocodile's sand logia reigns over.
1) Here is a toy experiment: send a time-bomb inside a black-hole, the bomb will explode after it passes the even horizon but nothing comes out all thanks to gravity, maybe BB's darkness fruit compresses the power of the other df inside his body in a sense that these 2 df aren't coexisting together, it's more like big fishes eat small fishes in term of df technically speaking hence this means BB's darkness logica has the special ability "eats" WB's quake df, so WB's quake df is "inside" BB's dark logica which is inside BB body, thus the paradox is solved and this proves dark logica is indeed unique of all type logica.
2) Well, we could predict some information from the given one. For example, after the appearances of Aokiji and Kizaru, some of us predicted that Akainu is also a df user and his df should be logica type, some people even went further to state magma due to his "red dog" title since blue ~ ice and yellow ~ light (just a metaphor). If Dragon's df isn't wind then his df has the ability to transform every fluid types into plasmas. On the lowest left corner of page 13 in chapter 99, the lighting stopped the sword less than 1cm from the straw hat, I'm not sure how wind could control lighting to this godly accurate coordinate. Does anyone have any reasonable guess about this process?
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"How did even come to that conlusion its a mistery its like you see raining and you think its not a rain but more like an alien like liquid."
I'd say it's Sulfuric acid rain! How about you? What do you think about it?