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    Super Sweet Spot and its abilities

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    I was having a crackpot theory discussion with Kaoz earlier regarding Super Sweet Spot and how and what it possibly is able to do. So far here is what we think we know:

    1) It is required in order to hit a controllable Glowing Shot
    2) It is required to properly return a Glowing Shot

    While that isn't much to go on, we do know that Glowing Shot is the most powerful shot shown in the series so far and has the power to destroy walls and other things, but SSS is able to channel and redirect that power without letting the gut of the racket break.

    This leads to the hypothesis #1: SSS is able to be used to return other gut breaking shots without issue

    From that hypothesis, I started thinking about other possibilities and that brings us to this:
     
    SSS + Jack Knife = Black Jack Knife

    This is taken from the beginning of the series when we are first introduced to Oni and he is hitting with the single cross string, which we learned later on was how to train to hit SSS. The motions and set up for Black Jack Knife all seem to be the same as the regular Jack Knife, yet Black Jack Knife is so much more powerful. The argument could be made that is simply because Oni is so much more powerful than Momoshiro, but then why bother with a different name for what is essentially the same shot?

    But let us take a closer look here. We know that Oni was clearly hitting a SSS shot the entire time against Momoshiro because that is the only shot he was able to hit given his "JuuJi" Gut (JuuJi means Cross shape). But here we have Momo's Jack Knife:

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    When he hits it here, it's clearly off center of the racket and certainly not a SSS.

    This brings us to later in the manga with the BJB Revolution. During this time, Momoshiro knows Black Jack Knife and with it:

    1) He was able to prevent a gut breaking Bakyuun from destroying his racket gut
    2) The power of his Jack Knife was exponentially increased

    which we can see here

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    and here

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    Also note, in that first picture how Momo begins hitting the Black Jack Knife in the exact center of his racket which as opposed to the picture earlier.
     
    Of course, this also means that Momoshiro, at least instinctively, can hit with the SSS even if he can't do it on command or at will. This also makes sense in how he learn to hit the Black Jack Knife since he would have had to think of copying how Oni hit it when they played and back then Oni has the JuuJi Gut only which could've given Momo the hint to hit with the dead center of his racket.

    Furthermore, if we analyze the second picture Momo's Black Jack Knife returns Bakyuun with the same gut busting ability that Bakyuun displayed earlier.

    This then brings us to...Hypothesis #2: SSS gives an inherent reflection ability.

    This part isn't quite as thought out as what you've read before and is more or less unsubstantiated until we get more information.

    The proofs for this are from how Ryoga was able to reflect back the Glowing Shot Byoudouin hit at Ryoma and Black Jack Knife (assuming my theory on this is right).

    For Black Jack Knife, Momoshiro's own normal Jack Knife has been known to be powerful enough to blast rackets away, but never able to gut bust like Rai or Bakyuun. Oni himself, when hitting a Black Jack Knife didn't bust a hole into Momo's gut either, but it did knock his racket away and break his wrists. That leads me to believe that gut busting isn't an inherent capability of Black Jack Knife (or Jack Knife) itself. However, when returning Bakyuun, it tore through both Taira and Hara's rackets busting a hole through them like how Taira did to both Momo and Kenya earlier. I believe that this is due to SSS reflecting back Taira's Bakyuun in addition to the normal Jack Knife properties.

    The other possible proof is in Tanegashima's return of Rai. If we assume that Tanegashima's Null effect and general playstyle is due to SSS, the way he was able to reflect Rai back with the same power and gut busting ability as it was hit at him it would be more proof of SSS being reflectory.

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    Prince Of Tennis Re: [Theory] Super Sweet Spot and its abilities

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    This is fantastic observation. Like, its theory-crafting at its best.
    All of this went way over my head when reading. It actually all makes sense now.

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    Re: [Theory] Super Sweet Spot and its abilities

    This is such an awesome theory. I definitely think Jack Knife + SSS= Black Jack Knife now. I'm still not sure about the Tanegamishima's Null effect is because of the SSS. If it were when Oni played momoshiro, his racket string wouldn't have been broken, because he was able to reflect the racket breaking capability back so his racket should have taken the impact. I might be wrong, please correct me if I am missing something.

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    Re: [Theory] Super Sweet Spot and its abilities

    I didn't notice that Momo managed to hit the SSS (it's clearly an early hint from Konomi), I totally agree with the first part, it really makes sense

    However, in the second part... I don't think SSS is really reflective.

    Against Taira / Hara, it wasn't the first time Momoshiro broke the opponent's strings

    http://i9.mangareader.net/new-prince...nis-569086.jpg

    Also, if it's reflective and we know Oni can hit the SSS, why we haven't seen anything really "reflected" in any of his matches?

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    Re: [Theory] Super Sweet Spot and its abilities

    You could argue that the reason for Oni's gut breaking there was that strings were missing, so it's inherently less durable.

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    Also, if it's reflective and we know Oni can hit the SSS, why we haven't seen anything really "reflected" in any of his matches?
    Because nobody used anything against him that could've been reflected with a visible effect.

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    Re: [Theory] Super Sweet Spot and its abilities

    My theory on Oni's gut snapping was that Momo had actually managed to hit a SSS at the time without realizing it. In that instance, its a matter of a full gut with supporting strings vs the single cross gut and the strings snapping because they did lack support.

    Also, it can be said the blasting away of Momo's racket and breaking his wrists was reflecting back Momo's Jack Knife in addition tot he added power of Oni's own Jack Knife.

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    Re: [Theory] Super Sweet Spot and its abilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Sai_the_Shaman View Post
    Also, it can be said the blasting away of Momo's racket and breaking his wrists was reflecting back Momo's Jack Knife in addition tot he added power of Oni's own Jack Knife.
    Not really, as Oni knew that he was going to break Momo's wrists BEFORE hitting it.

    You could say that he had experienced a similar case before against another Jack Knife player, but I believe it's safer to asume that it was just raw power and he had broken some random guy's wrist before.

    I can agree with the supporting strings thingy though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoz View Post
    Because nobody used anything against him that could've been reflected with a visible effect.
    What about the Super Ultra delitious nasfajsk or any X Ball shot?

    ---------- Post added at 01:32 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:30 PM ----------

    Oh, maybe in order to split balls you need to hit the SSS...

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    Re: [Theory] Super Sweet Spot and its abilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Hardy View Post
    What about the Super Ultra delitious nasfajsk or any X Ball shot?
    What about them? First, we have never seen Oni return Daishaarin. Second, what kind of effects would you expect to see there in the first place?

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    Re: [Theory] Super Sweet Spot and its abilities

    Anything that isn't a normal shot?

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    Re: [Theory] Super Sweet Spot and its abilities

    Why did Oni state it like nullifying was something that Tanegamishima specialized in? If it's something you could do with SSS even Oni could bring deathblows down to nothing. Also if one person uses SSS in this theory would it cancel out the effect of another's SSS?

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    Re: [Theory] Super Sweet Spot and its abilities

    the X balls shots are all pretty much normal shots except that theyve been split into multiple balls. even though you return them with the SSS they dont have any distinguishable properties to reflect back other than being normal shots

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    the Nullifying ability i count as separate from SSS

    specifically, i was talking about when he returned Rai and it went back to Sanada as a Rai

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    Re: [Theory] Super Sweet Spot and its abilities

    So, right now, with this theory, people in the manga that's confirm that can hit SSS is

    1. Byoudonin
    2. Oni
    3. Momoshiro
    4. Shuuji
    5. Ryoga

    Am I missing anyone?
    Most of the thing I post is probably assumption if it's not a fact that I support using some evidence from the manga.

    If you knows you're on my ignore list and you quote my post, there's high chance I would ignore you. Or answer you and not look at your response.

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    Re: [Theory] Super Sweet Spot and its abilities

    Quote Originally Posted by -Ken- View Post
    So, right now, with this theory, people in the manga that's confirm that can hit SSS is

    1. Byoudonin
    2. Oni
    3. Momoshiro
    4. Shuuji
    5. Ryoga

    Am I missing anyone?
    That should be everyone, but in Momoshiro's case, it would be tied to Black Jack Knife, and wouldn't apply to his normal returns.

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    Re: [Theory] Super Sweet Spot and its abilities

    So the SSS can be applied to all the shots??? I thought that if you successfully hit the SSS it would automatically be glowing? Shouldn't it be a Whtie Jack Knife instead of black? if you are saying the SSS + Jack Knife? I'm not really and expert, just asking question cause your theory is really nice... I believe it 85%. ^__^

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    Re: [Theory] Super Sweet Spot and its abilities

    the glowing shot from what we know is separate from sss. sss is needed to learn the glowing shot it seems, but isnt the glowing shot itself.

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