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Anyways, I agree with this very much. The people calling out Fairy Tail's fanservice being on a ridiculous level is a pretty outrageous claim. And you know what? I think I'm beginning to see a pattern with Mashima's fanservices. Most of the fanservice-y chapters are usually done as a breather episode of sorts.
In fact, the execution of the current chapter's fanservice is perfectly fine to me. It follows Mashima's pattern. Not only that, it worked perfectly with the information divulged (and the reveal of FT's Founding Fathers' ideals). Mashima set up a laid-back, relaxed atmosphere to support the recent plot reveal. It served nicely to accompany the important stuff.
Just because a major plot reveal is being revealed, it doesn't mean you have to do it in a serious atmosphere. You can do it in a laid-back atmosphere as well, and if Mashima wants to go to the extremes for that atmosphere, then so be it. In fact, I wasn't even bothered by the fanservice at all. Why? because my attention was too preoccupied with Warrod's information to actually enjoy the fanservice. Hell, I even forgot for a moment this was a fanservice chapter. This is how you use fanservice.
Even the naked bell chapter was greatly executed. It actually helped Natsu to divert his attention away from Rouge to think up of something to fight the dragons with.
I've read a lot of posts in other threads about this.
One person threw out the whole "omg stop being a prude, a naked body isn't that big of a deal. he does it in almost every chapter, obsessing over something so trivial". I'm paraphrasing but that was the gist of the argument.
True, a naked body isn't something to be "condemned" but I think it has a lot to do with context. In this chapter you can say that there was a reason for such blatant fanservice: the Guild members were winding down after a hard fought battle.
But there are more tactful and, dare I say, tasteful ways to present such a scene. I believe this was entirely too much and, for me, it detracted from the overall story. Not in the sense that I was staring at the screen with a "BOOBIES! O____O" expression but..yeah, I was more than a little disappointed.
Fanservice is one thing but to me this felt like softcore porn.
Of course, I'll probably get flamed with the whole: "ugh he does it so much, if you dont like the manga then dont read it!1!!"
I suppose that for those who have read enough mangas, they can most certainly block out the fanservice in favor of the plot happening at the same time (much like this chapter).
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EDIT: Forgot to add, I think the main point of frustration is that people are making out FT to be this gratuitous fanservice series, when in fact that is not absolutely true. There are many other mangas who deserve that billing. To-Love-Ru and Rosario+Vampire being one of them.
It's just this >one< chapter that made feel like having to post in this thread in the first place. I mean, surely there were other chapters that made me raise an eyebrow but this one kinda took the cake.
Not even saying that it's the worst offender.
It just feels like those ads where you have a product on a table surrounded by half naked women taking jello shots out of each others bellybuttons. Yeah, it's cool that there are naked chicks and all but..what does that have to do with the product?
Pretty big exaggeration but the point remains.
LOL, I get your analogy. But this is just me, though. I've already given an example of how this chapter's fanservice is more like a blob of delicious mashed potato accompanying a big, juicy steak. Going by that analogy, think about it. When you read manga, the first thing your eyes would be directed to would be the text, right? by taking into account of that psychological routine, wouldn't the story presented in the text have more of a lasting effect rather than the fanservice?
The human mind is more likely to be affected by the first thing it sees. That's why I barely noticed this was supposed to be a fanservice chapter. My mind instead is filled more with my anticipation from the revelation.
the only negative side to the fan sevice is the degrading of women's dignity especially the main characters
this manga is a shounen and is mainly intended for males, however it does have numerous female fans.
now it is not mashimas responsibility to make everyone happy, however i could see where some female fans may have trouble supporting or identifying with group of female main characters who wear skimpy outfits and get exposed for fanservice
personally i love the fanservice, but i could see where some female fans find it disrespectful
FT Fanservice doesn't affect FT quality of the story at all. It didn't make the story better nor worse; it simply is there. Neither it tells much about the mangaka's talent in regards to if he's capable of tell a good story or not. Personally I think the story is not good, but only because of features related to the plot which are off topic here. That's for the literary part.
But for the commercial part, I agree with M3J, that it looks like the author wants to make more money with the fanservice. Or like, if he would be thinking that his story is not good enough to grant the fandom now it has, if he wouldn't have using fanservice. I think it's a shame because his art is really great.
Well mashima's art is very pleasing to the eye
he may be he best artist in the manga industry, so naturally his fan service is top notch
i am not sure if he will earn more because of it
It's difficult to talk about FT's fanservice without getting a little bit off topic. Actually, there is nothing wrong with fanservice. You see it in many other series, though not in that scale but whatever. My main issue with FT is that relevant elements in this series are really bad. Plot, plot progression, fights, villains and so on. Adding a shitload of fanservice on top of that just makes it worse, because you get the impression that the author doesn't even care about the other, more important elements of his story.
The fanservice itself is not the problem. It becomes a problem when - in your opinion - there is nothing the series shines with. Literally.
Last edited by exacta; October 17, 2013 at 08:41 PM.
If Fairy Tail is "pervy" than so is the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition. Fairy Tail is no more provocative. Neither are particularly racy. Fully dressed girls showing a little cleavage, leg, and mid-riff. There's occasional nudity, with strategic parts artfully covered, of course. I don't think the Swimsuit Edition has been considered pervy in a good forty years. Saying that Fairy Tail is any more perverted would be exceptionally silly, or extremely old fashioned.
Fairy Tail is not even that fanservicy a manga. Compared to Naruto and Bleach it might be, but in the wider world of manga, anime, and light novels it's pretty tame.
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Last edited by Kaiten; October 17, 2013 at 09:06 PM.
Calling Fairy Tail pervy is an extreme, over dramatic description of the content being described. Even the loosest definition of pervy would not include Fairy Tail. There's really no need to describe Fairy Tail in such harsh terms. If you described Fairy Tail as pervy to someone who had never read the series, and then showed them chapter 355 as an example, they would probably laugh at you. Unless, of course, they were the type of person who thinks the Swimsuit Edition is scandalous.
Retarded is just playground talk. That's how people talk among friends, in informal situations. Maybe not polite, but it's not meant as an insult. It's just a more crude way of describing something as silly, or nonsensical. Nothing really wrong with saying it's "retarded" to call Fairy Tail pervy. It's just a colloquialism. The ethics of the word are terrible, but this is not the thread, nor the forum, for such a conversation.
Fairy Tail might not be the type of thing I would want my boss to see me reading during a break. I probably wouldn't start flipping through the Swimsuit Edition, or a Victoria Secret's catalog at work either. That doesn't make it pervy. If I read Fairy Tail, I would flip through a volume at a Barnes and Nobles without feeling like a perv. It's not exactly like whipping out a Playboy, or worse, in public.
Swimsuit Edition does have some nudity, in the same sense FT does. There are always a few spreads of girls topless, with just a hand covering their chest, or something like that. And it's not like FT has "nudity" every chapter. Every once in a while, but not that often. Most chapters the girls are dressed, even if they are wearing revealing outfits. And when there is nudity, key parts are always covered. There's always a hand, fog, a tree branch or whatever. Inuyasha has actually shown more than Fairy Tail ever has.
Last edited by Kaiten; October 17, 2013 at 09:36 PM.