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For those unfamiliar with the term deus ex machina is "is a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly resolved by the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability, or object."
SnK has in a lot of ways sidestepped many of the standard shonen stereotypes an cliches such as deus ex machina; which is honestly one of the main reasons I like it so much. However, this past chapter that wasn't the case. I'm of course talking about Eren's new power.
I honestly didn't' even think about it at first as I was too busy thinking about the implications of this power and what it meant for the manga as a whole. But looking back, it really was a deus ex machina moment. I'd even go so far as to say it was an asspull except for the fact that I'm sure Isayama had this planned well in advance. And honestly, I suppose there was no better time for him to introduce this power.
While this instance does bug me a little when I look back on it I just hope this doesn't become a trend. I don't want to see the characters getting into inescapable situations and suddenly Eren gets a magical new power or some other plot device just pops out of nowhere to save the day.
What do you guys think? Does this sort of thing bug you? Or do you feel that Isayama was justified in doing this?
To me it was not only a Deus ex Machina, but also the point where this manga got from the thin line that divides Shonen from Seinen into the Shonen zone. To be honest I didn't really like this part, I would've liked it better if the coordinate (or rather coordinator) would be someone/something else other than Eren. He already has a well-rounded Titan form, why should he be given more power?
The thing is this power may have been already hinted at if you consider this post, and that until now it was inconspicuous
Last edited by epictoads; October 31, 2013 at 03:58 PM.
I don't think it is a deus ex machina... If anything it makes the manga make sense. Eren being a titan alone is not enough to justify mobilizing RAB to find him. We also had seen titans being controlled before. Remember the beast titan? He was also controlling titans and was the one behind the attack within the walls. Even after eren was captured they weren't sure if he was the coordinate they were looking for.... With the foreshadowing and implications of eren being a coordinate it does not really qualify as a deus ex machina. Arguably coordinates had been shaping the world as a whole for years now, perhaps even influencing the creation of the walls themselves. At this point a deus ex machina would be eren dying but it just so happened he had a twin brother with a coordinate...
Anyways, I don't think eren was using the coordinate during the trost attack. RAB are not coordinates and yet titans are far less than friendly with them. It was the same deal withe eren back at trost.
I hate the very existence of the Coordinate ability, and I hate Eren having it, and him getting power ups every time. If this annoying ability must exist, I had hoped it would go to Historia or anyone else aside from Eren.
So yes, it bugs me considerably. So much, I'm thinking whether I should just drop the Manga or not (The only thing keeping me being the Ape Titan).
Mikasa getting saved the first time is the exact same thing. It's less like other shonen because the new powers don't appear every other week but over the span of months. And that the person getting the new power, this case being Eren, doesn't instantly understand the power and there isn't some teacher there to teach him the ways of 'Becoming a Giant Punch Machine'. The teacher thing is more subtle, Annie teaching Eren how to fight as a human, helped him be a better fighting titan. It also made him a better character but that something else and a topic on its own.Quote:
Because of how I originally viewed this Manga (and got into it), those two really does it for me.Quote:
I respect your way of looking at it.Quote:
I'm not being iffy about it, at least not as much as the people who reacted to Eren's Titan powers, but directly controlling the Titans through some sort of telepathy is a bit cheap. It would've been better if someone like Connie or Sasha, who tend to be comic reliefs, had the power. Perhaps Grisha or Historia having the power would've been good too, but not Eren. Oh well, Reiner's quote "You are the last person in the world who should have it." means that Eren is actually unfit for the power and will make at least one big mistake when using i which means the story is still good. Yay
One thing we should keep in mind is despite Eren having the Coordinate ability we don't even know how well he's access it due to his lack of experience and his predictable and unstable mental state. Not to mention the "warriors' may have abilities to counter it plus its not like regular titans are a match for shifters even in numbers, the regular titans are incapable of doing anything to Reiner if he wasn't protecting Bert he could have easily just demolished the whole group of them and went after the SL so who knows what kind of powers the other shifters will have.
As a matter of fact, I did see it like that. The charm of it for me was, humans desperately fighting against superior beings in an obviously losing battle. Humans Vs Titans to put it simply. When Eren transformed, my interest in the series took a major blow. But because I was intrigued with the Armored and Colossal Titan, I remained. Guess what turned of those two? And now the Coordinate? The Ape Titan is my last ray of hope.Quote:
I think it's what kkck said. It may seem to come out of nowhere, but whether its power has been hinted beforehand or not, the fact RBA were hell bent on capturing Eren from the very beginning justifies his recently revealed ability that "seems to come out of nowhere." In fact, you could even say RBA invaded probably just for this power Eren holds. It didn't "come out of nowhere," it has always existed in a perculiar form. I personally don't think the ability has ever been 'activated' as such, but the events leading to Chapter 50 does not give way to a deus ex machina explanation at all.