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    And now for one single second put yourself in his shoes throughout his whole childhood. Twelve years of no friends must sound fantastic in your warped reality. No hussle at all growing up without a single caring and loving parental figure. Sarutobi felt more like an educator from a foster home and Iruka has only developed a relationship pretty late into his life, while still having feelings of hate about what's part of Naruto.
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    Re: Talk-No-Jutsu

    Yeah except Naruto's isolation makes no sense whatsoever now the backstory of the nine-tails' attack has been mapped out.

    People knew and loved Minato as the Hokage, and probably liked Kushina too. Her pregnancy wasn't exactly a secret either now was it? Suddenly the nine-tails attacks and then there's a blonde kid with no parents wandering around (years later, I might add - just how did he survive as a baby without someone taking care of him?) that looks suspiciously like the guy on the statue who died saving the village. It really makes no sense that no one in the entire village - which is apparently ground zero for tolerance and understanding, would have taken him in or helped him get ahead in life. Where was Jiraiya? Why didn't Sarutobi tell the people the truth about what happened? It wasn't necessary to keep it a secret, and even if it had been kept under wraps, did no one discuss or contemplate how Minato and his wife died?

    Kishimoto ballsed up his original sympathy card completely so I say it's invalid and Naruto didn't really have it that bad.

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    Re: Talk-No-Jutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Ermac View Post
    Yeah except Naruto's isolation makes no sense whatsoever now the backstory of the nine-tails' attack has been mapped out.

    People knew and loved Minato as the Hokage, and probably liked Kushina too. Her pregnancy wasn't exactly a secret either now was it? Suddenly the nine-tails attacks and then there's a blonde kid with no parents wandering around (years later, I might add - just how did he survive as a baby without someone taking care of him?) that looks suspiciously like the guy on the statue who died saving the village. It really makes no sense that no one in the entire village - which is apparently ground zero for tolerance and understanding, would have taken him in or helped him get ahead in life. Where was Jiraiya? Why didn't Sarutobi tell the people the truth about what happened? It wasn't necessary to keep it a secret, and even if it had been kept under wraps, did no one discuss or contemplate how Minato and his wife died?

    Kishimoto ballsed up his original sympathy card completely so I say it's invalid and Naruto didn't really have it that bad.
    You beat me to it.

    We've seen that Konoha takes care of its orphans, so I don't see how he can say he was uncared for nor can I understand how he was unable to make a single friend from newborn to 12 years of age.

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    Re: Talk-No-Jutsu

    Naruto in the Academy did have friends. He used to dick around with Shikamaru, Choji and Kiba.

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    When parents tell their kids to avoid said Naruto because he's housing a monster it becomes very easy to not get any real friends. I disregard any of those shitty retcons Kishimoto might have added later on. What was the fucking point of Kishimoto showing Naruto lonely on a swing like a dozen times during the run, if not to show that he didn't really have any attentive caretakers.

    Ermac, do you remember Iruka's flashbacks and story centered around Naruto personifying the monster which murdered all those shinobi including lot's of parents/citizens/shinobi?

    Why, where, etc? Because Kishimoto had something eniterely different in mind, that's clear as day.
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    Re: Talk-No-Jutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Ermac View Post
    Yeah except Naruto's isolation makes no sense whatsoever now the backstory of the nine-tails' attack has been mapped out.

    People knew and loved Minato as the Hokage, and probably liked Kushina too. Her pregnancy wasn't exactly a secret either now was it? Suddenly the nine-tails attacks and then there's a blonde kid with no parents wandering around (years later, I might add - just how did he survive as a baby without someone taking care of him?) that looks suspiciously like the guy on the statue who died saving the village. It really makes no sense that no one in the entire village - which is apparently ground zero for tolerance and understanding, would have taken him in or helped him get ahead in life. Where was Jiraiya? Why didn't Sarutobi tell the people the truth about what happened? It wasn't necessary to keep it a secret, and even if it had been kept under wraps, did no one discuss or contemplate how Minato and his wife died?

    Kishimoto ballsed up his original sympathy card completely so I say it's invalid and Naruto didn't really have it that bad.
    The only explanation for why his parentage wasn't reveal was so that h wouldn't be targetted by his father's enemies, which still doesn't really work. As mentioned, anyone with half a brain should have been able to tell just by looking at him, and him being a Jinchuuriki, not to mention an Uzumaki, still made him a consider target to be attacked. More so I would believe, since we have outright seen both Jinchuuriki and the Uzumaki clan have been hunted for. So hiding that he was "connected" to Minato really didn't help any.

    And it doesn't make much sense for Jiraiya, or Tsunade for that matter, to not return to either take care of him or take him away. That is the whole point of being someone's godfather, and Tsunade abandoning her only other known relative is just strange.

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    Re: Talk-No-Jutsu

    an extremely haxxed overpowered jutsu capable of taking down the most powerful of foes

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    Re: Talk-No-Jutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Schabrak View Post
    When parents tell their kids to avoid said Naruto because he's housing a monster it becomes very easy to not get any real friends. I disregard any of those shitty retcons Kishimoto might have added later on. What was the fucking point of Kishimoto showing Naruto lonely on a swing like a dozen times during the run, if not to show that he didn't really have any attentive caretakers.

    Ermac, do you remember Iruka's flashbacks and story centered around Naruto personifying the monster which murdered all those shinobi including lot's of parents/citizens/shinobi?

    Why, where, etc? Because Kishimoto had something eniterely different in mind, that's clear as day.
    The parents never told their children why they should avoid Naruto. The parents just looked at Naruto with hatred and told their kids to stay away from him, but they never said why. The kids just automatically listened and stayed away from Naruto, most of the time, rarely hanging out with him. Has Naruto even been seen together with people of his age out of school?

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    Re: Talk-No-Jutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Schabrak View Post
    Why, where, etc? Because Kishimoto had something eniterely different in mind, that's clear as day.
    Is that a reply to me? If so, then I'm not sure what the chapter\episode is because it's been a long time. But it's like this:
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    Being punished and having to wait besides those guys is "hanging out with" now? No, it's clearly not. Next try.

    Just so you know, the anime was so filled with fillers that I will automatically disregard any picture used as evidence unless you can provide the chapter it comes from too.

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    The parents never told their children why they should avoid Naruto. The parents just looked at Naruto with hatred and told their kids to stay away from him, but they never said why. The kids just automatically listened and stayed away from Naruto, most of the time, rarely hanging out with him. Has Naruto even been seen together with people of his age out of school?
    Doesn't change the fact of them avoiding him though.
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    Re: Talk-No-Jutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Schabrak View Post
    Being punished and having to wait besides those guys is "hanging out with" now? No, it's clearly not. Next try.

    Just so you know, the anime was so filled with fillers that I will automatically disregard any picture used as evidence unless you can provide the chapter it comes from too.
    Punished together means they slacked off together. In the Wiki, it also states that they used to just skip class and hangout in the Practice room.

    Here's the chapter link: http://www.mangareader.net/93-159-7/...apter-154.html

    He was constantly slacking off with each one of them. Maybe not BFFS, but still buddies.
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    Re: Talk-No-Jutsu

    Does his life really have to be the fudged up to earn a my-past-sucked badge
    Really, I think what could account for members of the konoha 11 hanging with him is that their parents maybe knew minato and kushina personally and didn't tell their kids to stay away
    That still doesn't disregard how most of konoha citizens told their children to stay away
    Not having parents, not having an official parental figure, as a kid may be a "small" difference
    but as time passes the gap become more noticeable
    There are things naruto doesn't understand and will never understand
    He fills this gap with overenthusiasm
    having buddies will never change how he didn't have someone to depend on when he went home
    someone who was his, not the hokage or iruka, who had responsibility to so many other people
    anyways if naruto's treatment was any worse we'd have gaara
    and some "naruto-like " would probably need to save him

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    Re: Talk-No-Jutsu

    Talk no jutsu isn't a tangible, or even ethereal power that Naruto can use like a ninjutsu, genjutsu, or senpou. I understand why it's being compared to Genjutsu, because it seems like Naruto is taking complete control over the events taking place in Obito's mind.

    He isn't.

    When Orochimaru imposed his killing intent on Sasuke, it had the same effect as a Genjutsu, but it still wasn't Genjutsu, and it still wasn't Orochimaru manipulating Sasuke's chakra. That's a better comparison to what Naruto's doing here than any other actual Genjutsu could be. It's simply one ninja taking advangage of the emotions and mindstate of one other ninja. Orochimaru took advantage of the impressionable mind of a kid who was scared shitless. Naruto's taking advantage of the magical precognitive state that happens when two high-class ninja clash against eachother. The reason it's lasting so much longer and having such a larger effect on what each ninja is seeing is because a much, MUCH larger amount of chakra is being used than what is being used when Sasuke and Naruto clash.

    That's it. That's all.

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    Re: Talk-No-Jutsu

    Free will is an illusion and does not exist. Every thought is predicated on a priori states of brain chemistry, over which we have no control or awareness, many seconds before it pops into our minds.

    What is most ridiculous about this whole Mugen Tsukiyomi plot is that Madara and Obito didn't conduct it in secret. Akatsuki should have gone after the strongest bijuu first and whittled their way down the list rather than making their mission much more difficult by tipping off the great nations that their people-nukes were being stolen. But of course that would be a world in which Naruto was not the divine saviour of the universe and bound to succeed against all odds. Also, come to think of it, why did Madara let himself get old and useless? He could have disguised himself and waited for Hashirama to die, then collected all the bijuus himself. Even without the Rinnegan he still had more than enough power to do this single-handedly. He could have just collected them on his own, become the SOTSP and summoned the juubi flower, and cast the infinite tsukiyomi before anyone knew what the fuck was going on.

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    Re: Talk-No-Jutsu

    Looks like he hadn`t. He was stuck in that place living by absorbing firsts`s tree`s power and using it to survive. He was in need in revival so he needed one to use Rinne Tensei on himself.
    And one more thing...
    Taking on biju isn`t simple task. You need ninjas of special level such as Nagato or Hidan. I don`t think it was too easy for Obito to steal all bijus... And his mission wasn`t just to collect them. his mission was to insure Nagato will revive Uchiha Madara himself. That part is failed.
    There were reasons why obito couldn`t do everything by himself... For example I don`t think he could get Nagato`s head easily.
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