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    Confused what kind of dirt does Ivankov have on Crocodile???!!!

    this has always puzzled me

    whatever it was must have been pretty bad...

    i am still trying to figure out their past, it doesnt make alot of sense

    either way i have a feeling its going to be entertaining once we find out. i was assuming it has to do with the revolutionary army but what is the connection with croco-chan???

    i am dying to find out

    if this was already revealed please tell me where i can go back and read it


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    Re: what kind of dirt does Ivankov have on Crocodile???!!!

    I'm gonna go with back when Crocodile was a rookie, Ivankov changed his gender from woman to man.
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    Re: what kind of dirt does Ivankov have on Crocodile???!!!

    Yeah from the moment I saw that scene. I've always assumed that Crocodile was originally a chick.

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    Re: what kind of dirt does Ivankov have on Crocodile???!!!

    what do we know about croco?

    -Saw Roger's execution
    -Became a pirate (probably after seeing the execution)
    -Ivankov knows a 'weakness' of his
    -was defeated by whitebeard
    -hates the WG
    -has a deep 'wound' that he claims time has healed (when he talked with Daz)

    He was pretty nonchalant back in his cell about having a bone to pick with WB, yet he became stressed when Ivankov talked about his weakness, so I'd say that whatever Ivankov knows has nothing to do with him having been defeated by WB. And it was when he was a rookie, so I think it must've been before WB defeated him.

    Also, it seems that he and Daz go way back. I think whatever Ivankov knows has to do with this 'wound' that he talked about with Daz (maybe the same event where he lost his hand? maybe involve some injustice done by the WG?). For it to be just him being a chick is so predictable that it wouldn't have been worth the mention that its been given.

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    Re: what kind of dirt does Ivankov have on Crocodile???!!!

    ^ I think he lost his hand while fighting Whitebeard, same fight where he got the scar across his face.
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    Re: what kind of dirt does Ivankov have on Crocodile???!!!

    You'd have to be numb not to think of Crocodile possibly being a woman the moment Iwankov said he knew his secret. And Oda did it so we would wonder. He also drew Crocodile from behind at Roger's execution (chapter 0) and drew him as a kid that could be both a boy and a girl. Such a patient troll he is.

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    Re: what kind of dirt does Ivankov have on Crocodile???!!!

    SBS, young Shichibukai. When I saw it first, I tried to assign the less obvious ones and I thought "who's that tomboyish-looking girl?". So Croc being originally a girl makes perfect sense for me.
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    Re: what kind of dirt does Ivankov have on Crocodile???!!!

    I used to think croco was a chick too (I even thought Daz was the bf lol). But I'm saying that it's TOO obvious, so obvious that it can't be because all readers would predict that and that's not cool for stories. There must be more to it, maybe he's a chick but there must be more. I think it has to do with w/e his wound is.

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    Re: what kind of dirt does Ivankov have on Crocodile???!!!

    Recycling one of my posts here as it seems to be proper place for this kind of stuff.

    Just a loose theory that I think would fit that place if it will be confirmed at least to some degree.

    Crocodile is person with gigantic EGO and Pride - so whatever Iva wanted to say would damage Croco in those.
    I think that maybe Ivankow meet Crocodile during his rookie years and Crocodile wasnt Okama himself but he was a deck hand, slave on Okama pirate ship and thats how he started as pirate Nobody is recognizing him now because he was forced to wear makeup by his capitan like all okamas of the crew, nobody beside Ivankov that probably had contacted his capitan for some reason- tea party or meeting of some kind, about Okama stuff. Young Crocodile would be painted like sad/angry mime- if I was Oda I would do it this way How this would be his weakness or is connected to it? I have no idea

    Its clear that Crocodile has connection with Okamas- Ivankov knows him, he had strong okama in his organisation as Mr 2, he has very strong pride - as I said - so him being deck hand, slave on some Okamas pirate ship would be embarrassing fact. I dont think that his gender was changed by Ivankow, it would be to easy to guess for us and Oda is very patient TROLL just as Razh said.

    Even Baroque Works/ Crocodiles Jolly Roger had Okama-like wings. Purple-pink ones. With two crossed swords/ spades Maybe that points to something else.. we will see if Oda will push series to some more adult, almost tabu subject for many.

    So who knows maybe Crocodile is using his previous Capitan Jolly Roger? Or being with okamas rubbed on him in some ways

    "In SBS Volume 56, a fan asked Oda why Crocodile was wearing his own clothes since he was still in prisoner clothes after he's released, Oda replied that he went to Newkama Land and got his clothes from there." just to add to his connections to Okamas.
    Maybe Oda used some elements from Capitan Hook designing Sandman. Maybe real corocodile eaten his Okama capitan and thats why he named himself Crocodile, praised them- having few of those as pets in Alabasta, even had ship with Crocodile theme.

    Maybe he stuffed his capitans killer- crocodile that we can see on his rainmaker. Capitan Hook from Disneys movie "Hook" that aired in 1991 had stuffed crocodile as memento, crocodile that has eaten his hand.
    When it comes to Mr 0 hand, I see two possibilities- he lost in in fight with Whitebeard and gotten that nasty scar on his face in same fight or he still has it but uses hook as a standard all time weapon.

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    Re: what kind of dirt does Ivankov have on Crocodile???!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Razh View Post
    You'd have to be numb not to think of Crocodile possibly being a woman the moment Iwankov said he knew his secret. And Oda did it so we would wonder. He also drew Crocodile from behind at Roger's execution (chapter 0) and drew him as a kid that could be both a boy and a girl. Such a patient troll he is.
    that is certainly a possibility, i was thinking that or the possibility of corodile sleeping with someone who had been turned from man to woman

    however oda doesnt seem like the type to through something like that into the plot

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    Re: what kind of dirt does Ivankov have on Crocodile???!!!

    Well when I saw that moment in the anime,my first thought was that maybe he was a girl and asked Ivankov to turn him to a man.It's Ivankov after all. But then I figured out it might be something deeper. We all know that Crocodile's dream is to become Pirate King(it was featured in a cover story) , so I figured out that maybe when he was a rookie he was like Luffy. Maybe not stupid like him, but he cared deeply about his crew. But then his dream was broken when he lost his arm and got that scar, along with his crew . It might have been because of WB, or the World government, we don't know for sure. And Ivankov knew about his dream, and his past so maybe that's what he meant. I wonder how Luffy would react if he found out that his enemy shares the same dream .
    And he might have had connections with the revolutionary army. It wouldn't surprise me after all what happened in Alabasta. But then he had a disillusion and left the revolutionary army.
    Either way I hope Oda reveals the truth someday, because Crocodile is one of my favorite characters in OP.

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    Re: what kind of dirt does Ivankov have on Crocodile???!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kisame Hoshigaki View Post
    that is certainly a possibility, i was thinking that or the possibility of corodile sleeping with someone who had been turned from man to woman

    however oda doesnt seem like the type to through something like that into the plot
    You're talking about the same Oda that made Sanji suffer a massive bloodloss ater seeing a bunch of mermaids. He's not above some things, that's for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roarchu View Post
    I used to think croco was a chick too (I even thought Daz was the bf lol). But I'm saying that it's TOO obvious, so obvious that it can't be because all readers would predict that and that's not cool for stories. There must be more to it, maybe he's a chick but there must be more. I think it has to do with w/e his wound is.
    Look, it's not exactly brain science. Oda knew what the first thing readers will think would be and I'm saying he purposefully draws images that always leave some doubt. I do think it's quite possible that Crocodile wasn't a woman and Oda is leading us on a wrong track. But since both possibilities are still open, it's hard to say which one is more likely. I wouldn't put my hand in fire for either.
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    Re: what kind of dirt does Ivankov have on Crocodile???!!!

    I love oda's sense of humor

    especially when it comes to okama's or anything involving sanjis blood loss or zoros lack of directional skills

    I guess you are right though, you cant rule out anything with oda

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    Re: what kind of dirt does Ivankov have on Crocodile???!!!

    I think it's a given that no one can rule out the gender-bender business by Iva on Croco. It will always be a possibility until Oda reveals the truth. The idea of it being related to Croco's original "dream" so to speak is a bit strange to me. Yeah sure he aimed to become the Pirate King (I don't think that's his true aim at present) but I don't think a defeat against WB would be so humiliating that it became a secret!? I think Croco already made direct reference to that during the Marineford War.

    Something to do with his injury on his arm, the "story" behind the hook I guess is one way of looking at it. I honestly think it must be something super personal besides a sex change. I have a hunch it could be to do with his family lineage...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kisame Hoshigaki View Post
    that is certainly a possibility, i was thinking that or the possibility of corodile sleeping with someone who had been turned from man to woman

    however oda doesnt seem like the type to through something like that into the plot
    That would be hilarious but like you stated not really Oda-like.

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    Re: what kind of dirt does Ivankov have on Crocodile???!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugzee View Post
    I think it's a given that no one can rule out the gender-bender business by Iva on Croco. It will always be a possibility until Oda reveals the truth. The idea of it being related to Croco's original "dream" so to speak is a bit strange to me. Yeah sure he aimed to become the Pirate King (I don't think that's his true aim at present) but I don't think a defeat against WB would be so humiliating that it became a secret!? I think Croco already made direct reference to that during the Marineford War.

    Something to do with his injury on his arm, the "story" behind the hook I guess is one way of looking at it. I honestly think it must be something super personal besides a sex change. I have a hunch it could be to do with his family lineage...



    That would be hilarious but like you stated not really Oda-like.
    umm NO to the "not really oda like"

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    - sanji's nosebleeds from mermaids.
    -brook and panties
    - impel down okama land and bon-chan.
    -robin grabbing franky balls

    I think Oda is quite open to this sort of humor.


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