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^ One thing that's got me thinking, although it may be that Kubo didn't actually think about the Quincy blood war at this point; Aizen stated that he'd become a being that transcends both Hollows and Shinigami...however, he didn't mention anything about Quincies. As I've just mentioned, perhaps Kubo didn't mention (or even think about) this because the Arrancar arc was all about Shinigami/Hollow hybrids, but there's a small chance that perhaps Aizen didn't actually reach a level that transcends Quincies. Juhabach pretty-much WTF-pwned Yama-Jii, implying his power is possibly worlds-apart from him!!!
Anyways, kinda related to the point above, perhaps Aizen's Zanpakutou started to crumble away (if it did indeed crumble away due to his evolution) because he was becoming something more akin to a Quincy (I'm not saying he became one, but maybe a parallel species to them), who don't use Zanpakutou. Maybe it's unrelated, but the fact that he gained wings in his evolved form may have something to do with the Quincy Vollstandig (although I admit they look completely different).
I suppose Aizen could also have become part-Quincy, since it seems like even Arrancar can be bestowed with Quincy powers. But then again they probably needed Yhwach's blood or whatever to do it.
The Hougyoku grants realistic wishes that the person's soul is potentially capable of (as far as I've understood), so maybe a Shinigami soul cannot ever possibly gain Quincy powers. It would have to be done with force, with Yhwach's blood/ritual, I assume.
What I mean is, the Hougyoku can only work with what you give it, it can't create something with tools that aren't there.
In Chad and Orihime's case, it used their potential to become Fullbringers to give them those powers.
Perhaps you already know this, I dunno, but it's interesting.
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One more thing to note is that we don't yet know Juhabach's origins. It could well be that Juhabach is also a product of a Hougyoko created in the past; in that case, it could be the Aizen similarly evolved into something similar...
Ill just pass all this Aizen discussion and return to original post.
I still think JB was a mutated Shinigami with powers that were too much for his own body to handle so he had to distribute them to a select people. Thus creating the quincy, i also think JB was the Ruler of SS or that dimension and used Shinigami as a slave military, but then eventually the Shinigami rebelled and over threw him, thus the reason for being called 'treacherous' But then again that's just a crackpot theory with no real evidence or basis i just wanted to throw it out there
We are reading the same manga right? you have seen what happens to ichigo when his friends are in the middle of any battle correct? He loses all focus and loses..... HARD!
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@Lee J Baxter: It's possible I suppose...it seems that he didn't succeed though because he got outclassed by Ichigo.
Maybe Aizen should just slash Yhwach up and drink his blood, lol.
I wonder if what we heard of his effect on Yhwach's perception of time could be a sign of his Bankai? To be able to affect someone's perception of time (and maybe more) sounds like just the thing for the Bankai of such an overpowered zanpakuto....
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Going back to the topic of the post; I highly believe Aizen is going to escape (if he hasn't already). The fact that the Seireitei has been taken over by the Shattenbereich possibly means that Aizen is alone, and nobody is watching over him. I've posted a prediction in the chapter discussion, but being as it's relevant to this thread I'll share it here...
We've been reeled into the idea that this arc is purely about the blood war between the Shinigami and Quincies, which would make this scenario quite the plot twist. Imagine that Ichigo reaches the Seireitei and finds that it's completely desolate (apart from the bodies of the Shinigami and Quincies who have wiped each other out); Yhwach is nowhere to be seen, and evidence has been left behind to suggest he has taken the lift-thing (sorry, I forgot its name) up the the Royal Dimension whilst Ichigo has been travelling down to the Seireitei...
Now the next chapter cuts to the Royal Dimension, where the lift is coming up. The Royal Guard assemble at the entrance to the Royal Dimension to prepare to take on Yhwach. The lift arrives and they draw their Zanpakutou as the door opens. We then see Yhwach dart out of the lift at high speed (due to his speed we just see a white blur) and appear behind one of the Royal Guards (note that we only see a shadow at this point)...
Now we cut back to the Seireitei, and Ichigo approaches a dead body and looks in total shock. We then see the body to be Yhwach!!! To end this chapter, we see enemy who appeared behind the Royal Guard member.....and to our utter shock it's Aizen!!!!!
Ofc there are class differences that kinda sets groups apart. You got the level of human non power people like Tatsuki, then you got humans with powers like Chad, then you got hollows and the sorts of random shinigami, then you get the seated officers, then the Lts, then the captains then the hero class (as i call it).
Its not likely that someone from the lower typ can defeat the one of the typ above.
Its like when Chad was up against the now CC, and thought he could win because the 3rd seat was a piece of cake. Well he hit the brick wall there.
As for Aizen, hes in the hero class for me. Yamamoto, Ichigo,Ulquiora, YWBH Aizen and yes the released form of Kenpachi now as well as the Royal guards to me are the hero class. They are above anything else in this story. But amongst them its up for grabs who would win vs who.
I also do not see anyone of the Captain class beat any of these people, they are too far ahead of them by lightyears. However that doesnt mean these people are invincible. And like you can read i put Ulq in that group too. He was a vastolord with a 2nd release. Was no match for a full released Ichigo and logically that Ichigo is the main hero he would never win, and as soon as the beast was out his life was forfeit. Still id put him on the exceptional level since nobody else showed the 2nd release state. Seeing how Harribel in her 1st and was still alive and kicking against a bunch of bankai users id say that 2nd release would whipe the floor with them. And lead to yamamoto having to step in > hero class to me.
Aizen most likely will play a role of some sort since he is 1 of those that has that hero class status. I dont like the constant Aizen talk however. He is not as important unless said so otherwise. I remember how people bitched at me for talking about possibilities for both Masaki and Isshin and their relation to the Shibas. All hell broke lose. But fair to say that there is little to nothing tieing Aizen to anyone. He has no look alikeness or anyone talking about him in another light then his mysterious super powers that went under the radar all that time.
Despite even, increasing his power more through Bankai, Yhwach countered it "Aizen-style" and won.
Yhwach was defeated I believe, but either he managed to escape death or Yama chose to spare him for some reason.
I got the feeling from this arc that Yhwach would have had a hard time defeating Yama, so he took the easy way out.
Aizen is still withholding a lot of key information about royal realm, king, and whether or not the Hougyoku or something more refined could be used as a power again. So I think he will either escape, be let out, or my guess, he got out when his cell could have been involved in the shatten berich replacing SS as the standing dimension, so to speak.
I think he is useless in a fight as he is, immortal, but stripped of any real power.
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I have a theory regarding Aizen's method of escape...
Unless I'm mistaken, Kugo, Giriko and Tsukishima were "saved" in Rukongai by Kukaku Shiba, and are currently training with Ganju; maybe I'm paranoid, but something about this seems a tad off! They go to those lengths to rob Ichigo of his powers, die as his enemies, and then suddenly they're acting all goody-goody "I want to help in the war against the Vandenreich"!!!...
Here's the thing; the Fullbringers are Human/Hollow hybrids that (and this is an interesting point) just happened to be born in the timeframe that Aizen was experimenting with Hollow-based hybrids. AFAWK, there have been no Fullbringers born before them, which seems strange given that all that's required is the mother to be attacked by a Hollow whilst they're pregnant! Personally, I think this explanation behind their birth has been stretched a little; I think their mothers were all attacked by a specific, special type of Hollow, and I believe that Hollow was one of Aizen's experiments (it could have even been White or a predecessor)!
Now lets switch back to our current situation; the Fullbringers have been "rescued" (yes, I think they were faking their helplessness) by somebody who happens to have access to a fast-track transport to the Royal Dimension, and furthermore they're probably at most 5 miles from Aizen's location! Combine that with the fact that they're more-than-likely affiliated with Aizen, and are also more-than-likely still enemies with Ichigo, and...well, I'll leave you guys to do the math!!!
It's understandable that Fullbringers would help SS. They weren't really against Ichigo to begin with, it was more like Ginjo hating SS for being bastards in the past, and others followed him because he formed the group where FBers, who couldn't normally live in society because of their powers, could at least have each other. Ichigo was just a source of more power (through Ginjo stealing part of his FB). Now, they learned that SS has changed: instead of killing off Ichigo and Ginjo as they originally planned, they decided to help Ichigo, and Ichigo decided to trust in them. Thus making Ginjo's revenge useless.
Now, Vandenreich, which are supposed to be similar to past SS, are attacking. In a sense, Ginjo can still fight against the Psycho Society, it's just that the psychos are Quincies and not Shinigami.
I think other FBers exist somewhere in the Bleach world. XCution is more like a band of misfits gathered by Ginjo, but there could be others we know nothing about. Being attacked by a Hollow doesn't seem rare at all, so there should be more cases where help comes before the person is actually killed. The chance is incredibly small, but population is large, so there should be more.