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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
And no, unless this Ichigo has unreadable reiatsu he's not anywhere near that form. Like kkck explained FGT and transcendence are not the same thing. And transcendence has more to do with "level" or "dimension" as Aizen called it than just sheer power. I really don't think Aizen was that much weaker than Ichigo anyways, but he couldn't reach the dimension Ichigo was at so he was pretty much powerless to stop him. Ichigo's higher "level" reiatsu just stopped Aizen's own reiatsu from doing anything. This current Ichigo could have even more reiatsu than that form and still be powerless against it because of the NATURE of the transcendent reiatsu.
I don't think we'll see that type of power again until Spirit King is in the picture. He's obviously a transcendental of this highest "level". Aizen was trying to become like him and failed miserably.
Someone seems to be pretty hung up on a "number"...
does that mean he could beat aizen?
No, but it doesnt mean he couldnt either
so the real debate is, could fgt ichigo defeat full hollow ichigo?
we will never know, i personally believe the hollow form was stronger
Oh really? The current Ichigo is stronger than his FGT self without using FGT? By the way, Aizen's 4th evolution was equivalent to FGT version since his zan was about to disappear but Urahara's kidou sealed him and something with his solitude problem prevented him from achieved the 4th evolution.
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Believe, hope and wish are not equivalent to realities. It's better not to use personal emotion to judge, otherwise disappointment will always show up as the final results.
Also, whilst FGT was on such a level that even Aizen, whose own reiatsu wasn't even conceivable by Shinigami, couldn't perceive it himself, even Rukia and Yammy were able to sense both Ulquiorra's and Ichigo's powers as they were fighting on top of Las Noches.
Yea he had a unknown resurrection but the bottom line is that the only measuring stick we have here is him beating Ichigo, let me repeat ICHIGO who was by no means anywhere near the strongest character in the manga at the time.
So what he pwned Ichigo?
There where a lot of characters at the time who I wager could do the same.
And all his segunda form really did was pwn him a bit more, which doesn't show that much of a power boost.
Not to mention Ulquarra himself even ADMITS that unlike the other espadas he traded raw power for regeneration.
Last edited by BaddAzzKenpachi74; December 20, 2013 at 08:37 PM.
There was no 4th form on the way, the Hougyoku rejected aizen after the octowing form. Aizens zan was crumbling, not becoming one with him like Ichigos form.
As for Ichigo, he could have more reiatsu now yes. But it wouldn't make a difference if its not transcendental reiatsu. Transcendence is not just about raw strength but introduced this concept of different dimensions of reiatsu. Like you know how Gin wtfpwned Aizen? He was only able to do that because Aizen lowered the dimension of his reiatsu back down to the Shinigami level. Therefore Gin's own reiatsu was able to interact with Aizen's and do real damage. If Aizen had not lowered his "dimension" Gin's attack would have done jack squat. But Aizen did NOT reduce his power. He was as strong as ever to the point where his reiatsu was crushing everybody except Gin. And he wasn't even trying to do a reiatsu crush. It was just that huge. So his POWER was the same as before. Its the DIMENSION or NATURE that changed.
The next example is when we saw Butterflaizen's Black Coffin do nothing at all to Ichigo. But then he evolved to Abominaizen and was able to do something with Fracor (nuke cero). Its because he got closer to the dimension Ichigo was at when he "evolved". I really don't think his normal "powerlevel" increased. His full incantation Black Coffin is a much better attack than some generic cero, but it epic failed cause he was too far away from the place Ichigo was at, so even a spacetime bending gravity force could not interact with Ichigo's reiatsu (the dimensions were too far apart) and he literally waved the attack away. Do you understand now?
Last edited by Xerneas; December 23, 2013 at 10:21 AM.
As evidence it's all kind of flimsy, sure, but it's something nonetheless. On the other end of the argument, all there is to say is Ulquiorra was stronger than we thought he was, which isn't really evidence of anything at all in comparing him to Aizen.
But did you consider, when, how and why he said that about those three? Him saying there are three stronger ones to agitate Ichigo was more than obvious in hindsight, it doesn't tell us anything about the real ranking and even if it was a ranking of strength, it wouldn't say anything about the ranking of individual match-ups between them.
Yammy got fucked off-panel, so him losing against two mediocre captains didn't really tell us much about the real ranking. Yeah, he was 1# in brute strength, but who cares about that when he's a gigantic moving target.