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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
Remember the moment when Ymir was looking for something to eat in castle Utgard and found canned herring with the strange language only she and R&B fellas could read?
Now, is canned food considered a normal thing in SnK universe? Has anyone seen an actual can of food except from the one Ymir found in the Castle anywhere in manga?
Also, how the hell did that can end up inside wall Maria (remember, only Ymir and Reiner could read what's written on it and Reiner played it like he couldn't to not blow his cover)?
edit2: isn't Herring a saltwater fish?
Last edited by ForMotherRussia; December 22, 2013 at 10:08 AM.
Canned food has existed since the Napoleonic era, so it shouldn't be so surprising to find it in the SNK universe. There's a lot of mystery regarding castle Utgard, so I can't really say how the canned herring got there, but I'm sure there's the castle will appear again. As for herring being a saltwater fish, well, what can I say? It adds even more mystery to that place. Nice find by the way
Last edited by TheOwl; December 22, 2013 at 10:55 AM. Reason: grammar
I've always assumed that just like you say, Reiner could read the can and was just pretending not to be able to so as not to blow his cover, but I don't think we know that for sure yet.
We had a really good discussion about Utgard including talk of the herring can and whether it came with the people who sailed there from the old world, and so on. I'll try to find that thread...
Since the vast amount of land that's covered by the
Walls and it only being occupied for a short amount of
time the castle might not even belong to the current
civilization (like a bunch of other stuff probably,
the basement Grisha found or what he hides in it
is likely something similar).
A theory on Titans in the Walls (Spoilers)
In fact the people who lived there could have
even been turned into the walls / mindless titans...
I also think the castle was already there, but that the settlers brought the supplies to it when they first moved into the walls. So an ancient civilization (which may have constructed, or may have been used to construct) the three walls is indeed plausible to me as well. Alternatively I suppose that as the second anime ending hints, there may have been a human vs. human war long ago, and perhaps in that case, the supplies belonged to the losers.
Not sure why people won't touch further upon the fact that Herring are Saltwater Fish.
Well the particular variety mentioned on the can are, yes. I think it's because we don't know enough about the potential former civilization to know whether they were trapped within the walls or not. Maybe they could have gotten herring too. I still think there must be some truth to the cover page writings about the ship voyage though, so I'm leaning toward the cans being supplies that were brought in from elsewhere, rather than the former people living there having gotten it.
edible coastal fish, basically a term fisherman use for generic fish. So, considering the translation issues from Japanese to English, I think it's possible that Isayama just kind of meant "canned fish" without necessarily meaning ocean fish.
If the Herring is from the Voyage from at least 100years ago
it would mean that canning food was allready common back then...
and why would it have foreign letters printed on it that Ymir
was able to recognize? If it would belong to the current wall-dwellers
then Reiner wouldn't have been able to feign ignorance, even
if he didn't learn how to read during his military lectures
he would be able to recognize the letters.
One explanation would be that it belonged to another
culture that travelled with the current inhabitants
and died out shortly after their arrival like Mikasa's people
or there could have been a genocide/war.
There are other odd things about the castle:
The basement is full of Titans - did the come in through
a secret escape path that isn't uncommon in castles,
could it be a secret passage below the wall or
was it a research station?
The last two points also serve as an explanation
why the Ape Titan would come along this route
and why he threw bolders at it
(besides killing the people who saw him
-like any decent spy would).
The titans at Utgaard either came from Connie's hometown and were directed there by Apey, or were the inhabitants of the castle who were then turned into Titans by Apey.
Since the total number of titans in the walls seem to be the population of Connie's hometown, Apey probably brought them along.
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Reveals a few things:
One, the factions outside the walls have knowledge of oceans and oceanic life, and opens up the possibility that some of them are coastal towns.
Two, Ymir and Reiner aren't from the same place outside the walls.
Three, maybe, there is a traffic of goods between inside and outside the walls that we're not aware of yet.