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There was a sharp drop in rank a a few years ago. Like how One Piece, Naruto and Bleach were called the big 3 because they held the top 3 ranks in Shounen Jump magazine? At the time bleach was threatened it was down to like 15th place and the boys at SJ didn't know if it would recover. Now bleach has a healthy SJ rank again.So that helps explain this rewrite business.
Last edited by conn-man; January 01, 2014 at 02:03 PM.
There is that shadow thing Zangetsu did when Ichigo was fighting Zaraki. He also said he was stopping Ichigo's bleeding, which might have been a form of Blut Vene maybe?
With quincy for example Uryuu he could suck up Ichigos reiatsu and shoot it off into space, this ability to take pure energy is not a hollows. Ichigo recovers later from it.
Rukia too recovers from her loss of power and i feel what Uryuu could do controlled without harming Rukia is something Ichigo did but then uncontrolled.
Back when ichigo 1st went into his inner world while training to control his hollow side Bach-getsu was not there, ichigo asked where he was and white stated he was Zangetsu. Dunno if that had any major implication towards what has happened recently but we do know they are the same being only one side is qunicy the other hollow, whats confusing is where has the shinigami side gone
The explanation of Old Man Zangestu actually being a Bach Quincy spirit showed that the 'Hollow Ichigo', that replaced Old man zangetsu as the dominant form in Ichigos inner world, was actually his technical Zangetsu, also being composed of his shinigami side and not strictly a hollow as it used to be perceived.
Edit: Going back and reading ch 542 looks to show that what Ichigo actually did was fuse all his inner spirit personalities into a singular 'Zangetsu'. Pretty much signifying his powers at long last balancing thus granting never before seen power.
Last edited by conn-man; January 02, 2014 at 12:11 AM.
Point is there is only 1 true instance that we see something that's significantly different from what is considered normal among either Shinigami and hollow. Remember that the entire mask stuff with Byakuya isn't anything different from what happened during TBTP. That instance is when Ichigo went Hollow vs Ulquiorra. We do not know much about the inner world for anyone except Ichigo since his is the only one we ever get to see. The outer manifestation and talking to your inner zanpakuto is not oddd, we see Renji do it. The mask like i said is common for those that are turning hollow. And then there is the blut vein well that is quincy skill.
What i'm getting at is that the passing of the hollow is not a proven fact, it is only that we see the hollow in the past and it resembles the one Ichigo turns into when fighting Ulq. But by no means is that linked to Zangetsu or inn Hollow. Cause both can be explained in other ways.
Rukia getting her powers back is kind of a weird one. It's not that Ichigo ever gave her power back, in fact he couldn't because Byakuya destroyed it when he stabbed Ichigo through the soul sleep or chain of fate (or whatever it was). So her getting her powers back was an independent thing. I'm not too sure really, imo both White and Quincy absorption are both possibilities for what happened to Rukia's powers in the beginning. I'd say it was because of White, but I can't really prove it with certainty.
As for Rukia getting her powers back; I don't think Rukia actually gave Ichigo her individual powers as such, but more her spirit energy. Under normal circumstances (i.e. performed on a Human without the Hougyoko's influence) the process would have most likely given the recipient base Shinigami powers without giving them an Asauchi. The Asauchi that Ichigo possessed after the transformation, IMO, was not a real Asauchi (as Nimaiya has stated only he can create them); it was most likely a simple blade formed from reishi. Rukia had her Zanpakutou and powers all along, but was too weak to actually manifest or use them until her energy was replenished within the Seireitei.
I think you're right about how her powers returned as well actually.
If that's all the case, then I guess Ichigo's first use of Quincy abilities was in the fight against Zaraki.
I still think the 1st instance of ichigo showing his quincy side off was probably the FGT i mean it was him unifying all his powers in very short amount of time and not knowing who or what he truly was, it's basically the same thing that uryuu did against mayuri and not only that but look at how he got his power back in the fulbring arc, i don't mean his fulbring powers i mean the light sword that rukia and co brought. Wasn't that a thing urahara created, i think it was based on the same technique that ryuuken was performing with uryuu to get his powers back
I only recall him using a Quincy power once, against Zaraki when "Zangetsu" appeared and used the Shadow ability I think?
The old man was limiting Ichigo's real Zangetsu, but I wouldn't really call that a Quincy power. That sounds more like suppression.
Anyways, I think Ichigo used his Quincy powers WAY before his battle with Zaraki; when "Old Man Zangetsu" revealed his true identity, he explained that he used "Hollow Zangetsu" whenever he taught him Shinigami techniques. In other words, any techniques that Ichigo learnt from Zangetsu before he met "Hollow Zangetsu" were Quincy-based; this means that Ichigos blue Getsuga is most-likely a Quincy technique too, and he used this pretty-much from the get-go after the shattered-shaft training.
I might be wrong on this, of course, as Ichigo learnt to fire off a blue Getsuga without the incantation by himself. I'm just going off the fact that we didn't see "Hollow Zangetsu" around during the time that Zangetsu taught him the name of the technique, and the fact that the blue Getsuga looks like it could be a variant of the Quincy arrow (its colour and composition match a Quincy arrow).
Ah yeah the healing was also a Quincy power. As for Getsuga, I think it's a Zan ability since his dad has it too.
He'll probably use the two as a hybrid later on, I bet at first he'll use the powers separately.
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