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Ryoma probably couldn't have forfeited against Yukimura since he can take away 5 senses so that'd include the ability to talk.
In retrospect Yukimura's ability isn't really that impressive since it takes time for it to work whereas Byodouin just hits you with a ball and you lose all your senses immediately.
I'm willing to guess Ryoma would've been made to forfeit if he hadn't kept struggling.
Seems pretty conscious to me. He was standing and holding his racquet, he could had just stepped out of the court lol.
Byoudouin was using a combination of face shots to knock him unconscious and body shots to wake him up through the pain. Thats what was in the text. He wasnt allowing Tokugawa to end the match or get off the court.
Last edited by Sai_the_Shaman; December 31, 2013 at 02:28 PM.
So, he was able to knock his opponent and wake him up, without him dropping his racquet or falling at all?
Byoudouin is awesome
It's actually decently ingenious and fun.
I think 'unable to forfeit' refers to the referee. If Tokugawa actually lost conscious then the ref would decide he forfeited. Of course Tokugawa could've forfeited on his own but I'm pretty sure most people would rather die than forfeit a game of tennis in POT.
This still doesn't explain that Tokugawa "couldn't forfeit".
If the ball hits your body that's already a point forfeited.
So after 4 body shots then that's game.
Its implied Byoudouin dealt out plenty body shots.
So Tokugawa must have had plenty opportunities to use his common sense and quit because it would have been HIS serve. He wasn't being forced to serve.
Unless we're just going to theorize that Tokugawa was unconscious whenever it was service but still managed to serve perfectly despite being unconscious.
Like Phantron said, its just customary to not forfeit in PoT.
Unless you're Prefecturals!Fuji and feel and want to forfeit for your teammate because you have no feeling of pride when you play Tennis.
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Since with the common sense and reasoning from our world, you would forfeit on your service because you would have the justified fear of being repeatedly knocked unconscious. Oh well.
He's so good he forced Tokugawa to serve. Simple
There were five body shots shown, first one may have been game point on Tokugawa's serve and the remaining four Byoudouin's service game. That said, if the text implies he couldn't forfeit, then he probably couldn't forfeit.
There are mere implications that he couldn't forfeit but let's be serious. With a bit of common sense he or Kaidoh could have stopped and refused offer of ass-whoop on the menu.
Mere implications don't really justify why Tokugawa didn't forfeit.
What I do believe however, is that it was for his pride which I totally respect.
Like how Tezuka put his future career on the line countless times, Tokugawa was just doing the same which is fine.
But for it to be that it was simply impossible for him to quit? Nah. Makes no sense even by PoT logic.
5 shots, unconscious first, then conscious 2nd, then unconscious 3rd, then conscious 4th, then unconscious 5th, realistically on the next shot Tokugawa should have had the gotdamn common sense to beg for his life and quit the match.
However, pride in Japanese folklore and literature is on a completely higher level than Western culture since its in their philosophy.
Seppuku and those kind of things etc.
I'm not dissing Tokugawa for not being able to quit I guess I'm just confused at the characters in the PoT worlds inability to say "I forfeit".
This is kind of like back when Kaidoh was playing Tezuka and people were commenting on how Kaidoh can't even quit if he wanted to. Of course he can quit if he want, by just not hitting the ball at all!
I think it's funny how based on the first flashback when Tokugawa talked to Ryoma about how he lost to Byodouin, it looked like a standard 6-0 clownstomp, not "I almost didn't make it out with my life". Or maybe his head is so messed up he can't remember correctly anymore.