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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
It's quite an interesting theory. But I don't think Aizen would refer to it as a "thing" if the secret behind the Soul King's existence is that he is simply a Quincy. I think it's going to be a much bigger mindfuck than that.
I like the idea of this theory
i for one,will not be satisfied unless ichigo is the strongest being alive at the end of this manga
so the idea of ichigo defeating the soul king or juha after he defeats the soul king sounds great to me
I like the theory, but it still has problems, so I won't accept it as anything else but a plausible scenario. But it's definitely an interesting idea.
On the matter of how many Quincy exterminations there has been, I also agree, that there probably has been many more in the past, somehow it does not feel as if Quincies did start out around 1000 years ago, but much further back, perhaps same time as Shinigami?
Either way, Kubo probably has a bomb to drop on us, there's pretty likely a bigger connection between the Quincy and the Shinigami than that we know as fact so far.
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If we remove the "Asauchi/Zanpaktou" from a Shinigami, and the Quincy "Glove/Quincy Cross" that allows for Vollstanding/Letzt Stil, then Quincy and Shinigami also seem much more "opposite" than they do in current days.
Their tools is making them look more specialized in different ways, but their core, if only focussing at the Shinigami core and Quincy core, actually seem quite opposite.
- Shinigami gathers powers from within.
- Their Shinigami avatar comes from within.
- Power based on Reishi.
- Has protection against hollow infections and long lifespan <---- The joker.
- Quincy gathers from the surroundings.
- Their avatar comes from their ancestors/surrounding.
- Power based on Reatsu.
- No protection against hollow infections and short lifespan <---- The joker.
Maybe this is why Ywach can take away a Quincies powers.
Also both Shinigami and Quincy seem to inherit similar powers from parents? Either way, it's likely not an opposite factor.
and Finally, if Quincy and Shinigami really are opposite to each others, then how do we explain The Joker opposites? As pointed out above.
I am not sure the manga gives us any context under which the soul king would be a hollow. I mean, why? The first databook even makes the point there is a royal family around which would have the implication that he has actual relatives and stuff. We have seen the royal guard and residents of the royal palace, so far they all appear to be shinigami. If we consider the royals and the 3 royal palace non zampakuto residents we have seen it actually seems quite weird that the god of the world would be a hollow. In terms of physical appearance the king appears to be rather unique however I don't think that is because he isn't a shinigami in itself. The seat of the king can be taken which means his attributes which make him god or something can be transferred to others. Otherwise aizen killing him makes no sense at least. So I would argue the simpler explanation considering what little we know and how little context we have around it is that the king looks like he does because of whatever makes him king (which is perhaps what aizen referred to as thing).
Guys did u ever realized that Ywach is the ancient name of God in hebrew???!Juva//Geova...it seems like no one ever talk about it XD
Last edited by Yans86; January 22, 2014 at 05:22 PM.
The part about the throne is not necessarily true. Aizen could simply mean to kill the King so that he'd be the most powerful being around with nobody to challenge him. It wouldn't be wise for him to keep people who could depose him around. As for the king's appearance, hollows change their appearance and become more humanoid as they grow in power. An ultra-powerful vasto lorde should look almost human. Kubo could even line up an asspull like having Ichigo ask him why he doesn't have a mask and the king can go like "I do, it only covers my eyes trololo".Quote:
I just remember something, didn't Kubo not plan to go beyond the Rukia Rescue Arc? I bring that up because wasn't the mention of Royal Family in the first arc. So it could be a retcon now that the king is called a thing by Aizen.
The Fullbringers or "Ginjou" for example, could be "Gabriel", another form of angel in connection to both humans and demons alike. But, most manga fans don't either believe in that stuff or don't read into it that deep, however, this is where Kubo gets a lot of his creativeness from to create interests on the basis of a shounen manga.
And, the Soul King is above the Quincy and everything else, based on Kubo's logic, the Soul King is the absolution of the spirit power in all forms. The real deal here is, Ywhach could possibly be connected to the Royal Family in some shape or form.