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Thread: Asspulls, plotholes, things you just don't get, and things that Kishi just hasn't gotten to yet. <3

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    Re: Asspulls, plotholes, things you just don't get, and things that Kishi just hasn't gotten to yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall313 View Post
    Yea, maybe because the uzumaki is exactly like the uchiha. They awaken their power in the name of "LOVE".

    Yepz, she's obviously in love to sasuke. Her love and fear of losing sasuke was the one who triggered her uzumaki's power.

    Wow, LOVE is indeed a powerful thing.

    So if i were madara, i wouldn't dare to kill hinata. Or else, naruto will also awaken his own uzumaki's power.
    Yea... You must be confused. Naruto haven't shown hinita any affection beyond friendship.

    Sakura is Still the one he wants.

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    Re: Asspulls, plotholes, things you just don't get, and things that Kishi just hasn't gotten to yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Sasuke View Post
    Yea... You must be confused. Naruto haven't shown hinita any affection beyond friendship.

    Sakura is Still the one he wants.
    Ima go out on a limb and say that he's using the pain invasion arc to justify his claim. If he's serious about it.

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    Re: Asspulls, plotholes, things you just don't get, and things that Kishi just hasn't gotten to yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by KiSwordsman View Post
    Ima go out on a limb and say that he's using the pain invasion arc to justify his claim. If he's serious about it.
    Probably. Naruto would've act the same if it was Kiba in the place of Hinita .. That was just all about wanting to protect a friend, nothing more.

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    Re: Asspulls, plotholes, things you just don't get, and things that Kishi just hasn't gotten to yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Sasuke View Post
    Yea... You must be confused. Naruto haven't shown hinita any affection beyond friendship.

    Sakura is Still the one he wants.
    IDK, but based from the current chapter, sakura deserves to be lee's partner.

    Well, it's really obvious that naruto will end up to hinata. I've already seen this kind of love story so many times before. Aww man, that's very common to an Asian love story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Sasuke View Post
    Probably. Naruto would've act the same if it was Kiba in the place of Hinita .. That was just all about wanting to protect a friend, nothing more.
    But hinata's reaction/action towards naruto at the moment is still the same as before, it seems to me naruto didn't turn her love down. did he? After confessing her love to naruto, shouldn't naruto just told her that he's still in love to sakura? but why the heck hinata didn't stop her madness?

    Well, it's either naruto didn't talk to her after he fought the pains or both of them are already had some "mutual understanding". Well, that's given. AFter all, kishi wouldn't sacrificed neji just for him to tell naruto that hinata will always be around and ready to die for him.

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    Re: Asspulls, plotholes, things you just don't get, and things that Kishi just hasn't gotten to yet.

    No shipping stuff please.

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    Re: Asspulls, plotholes, things you just don't get, and things that Kishi just hasn't gotten to yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by KiSwordsman
    Ima go out on a limb and say that he's using the pain invasion arc to justify his claim. If he's serious about it.
    If that's the case, why the hell didn't that power awaken when he fought Pein and Hinata was stabbed? Instead, he gave in to Kurama.

    Can't it just be as simple as "Naruto's Uzumaki heritage isn't as dominant as Kushina or Karin's"? Sasuke and Itachi could both use the rarest of MS abilities, and as far as we know Fugaku couldn't use any at all. Just like not every Uchiha is gonna be using Susanoo, not every Uzumaki is gonna be firing chains out of at people.

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    Re: Asspulls, plotholes, things you just don't get, and things that Kishi just hasn't gotten to yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    If that's the case, why the hell didn't that power awaken when he fought Pein and Hinata was stabbed? Instead, he gave in to Kurama.

    Can't it just be as simple as "Naruto's Uzumaki heritage isn't as dominant as Kushina or Karin's"? Sasuke and Itachi could both use the rarest of MS abilities, and as far as we know Fugaku couldn't use any at all. Just like not every Uchiha is gonna be using Susanoo, not every Uzumaki is gonna be firing chains out of at people.

    Ignoring the fact that the chains didnt exist at all at that point, let alone as a potential bloodline for the clan instead of an individual ability like mokuton, also that I'm not in agreement with Marshall, That doesn't change the fact that the potential is still there for both sides. Yeah, we might not be seeing it, but the potential still remains.
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    Re: Asspulls, plotholes, things you just don't get, and things that Kishi just hasn't gotten to yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    If that's the case, why the hell didn't that power awaken when he fought Pein and Hinata was stabbed? Instead, he gave in to Kurama.

    Can't it just be as simple as "Naruto's Uzumaki heritage isn't as dominant as Kushina or Karin's"? Sasuke and Itachi could both use the rarest of MS abilities, and as far as we know Fugaku couldn't use any at all. Just like not every Uchiha is gonna be using Susanoo, not every Uzumaki is gonna be firing chains out of at people.
    Why would it? Naruto likely lost himself, listened to the Kyuubi, and let it take over. Karin and Naruto's reactions to their contemporaries getting stabbed or being in trouble are different - Naruto's face was just disbelief while Karin's face was frantic with getting to Sasuke. I don't think it's because of the Uzumaki part being dormant, but how he reacted to her being stabbed.

    Did Fugaku have Mangekyo?

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    Re: Asspulls, plotholes, things you just don't get, and things that Kishi just hasn't gotten to yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    If that's the case, why the hell didn't that power awaken when he fought Pein and Hinata was stabbed? Instead, he gave in to Kurama.
    Because he had a power source about which he knew and can count on it in contrast to Kushina and Karin

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    Re: Asspulls, plotholes, things you just don't get, and things that Kishi just hasn't gotten to yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by badluckartist View Post
    No shipping stuff please.
    i agree there is a thread for that stuff http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showth...iety-in-Naruto

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    Re: Asspulls, plotholes, things you just don't get, and things that Kishi just hasn't gotten to yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    If that's the case, why the hell didn't that power awaken when he fought Pein and Hinata was stabbed? Instead, he gave in to Kurama.

    Can't it just be as simple as "Naruto's Uzumaki heritage isn't as dominant as Kushina or Karin's"? Sasuke and Itachi could both use the rarest of MS abilities, and as far as we know Fugaku couldn't use any at all. Just like not every Uchiha is gonna be using Susanoo, not every Uzumaki is gonna be firing chains out of at people.
    Maybe only female Uzumaki can use them. Mito was the first host of Kurama, and she probably taught Kushina how to do what she did/could do. Orochimaru knew of this, and tried to work it out with a stray female Uzumaki he found. Nagato had every reason to be able to use the chains, but never did/could. Naruto is the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark blood View Post
    Because he had a power source about which he knew and can count on it in contrast to Kushina and Karin
    That's true. Kushina and Karin were both probably taught how to use the chains by Mito and Orochimaru, respectively. It could be as simple as the chains not being something that's explicitly instinctive, which kinda flows against how Kishi has treated sealing powers so far. But it is how I'd have preferred it be in the first place so I'm not complaining if that's the case.

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    Re: Asspulls, plotholes, things you just don't get, and things that Kishi just hasn't gotten to yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark blood
    Because he had a power source about which he knew and can count on it in contrast to Kushina and Karin
    Sasuke had his curse seal and despite that unlocked two different Sharingan levels (2 tomoe and 3 tomoe), so that's no excuse.

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    Yeah, we might not be seeing it, but the potential still remains.
    Well, that's my point: potential is there, but it might be too small to ever amount to anything. Think the Uchiha example again. Every Uchiha, every single one, has the potential to unlock a Sharingan... but that potential could be so low that they never manage to do it. This is what I meant about Naruto not getting those chains. He has Uzumaki heritage, but just like it wasn't enough to grant him red hair, it wasn't enough to grant him the fuuinjutsu chains.

    In other words, it's okay that he can't do it, just like it's okay that Fugaku can't use Susanoo. Not that great of an example since Fugaku hasn't been confirmed to have MS, but for argument's sake let's say he does. Actually, even better: let's just take Fugaku outta the equation and replace him with Obito.

    Quote Originally Posted by badluckartist
    Maybe only female Uzumaki can use them. Mito was the first host of Kurama, and she probably taught Kushina how to do what she did/could do. Orochimaru knew of this, and tried to work it out with a stray female Uzumaki he found. Nagato had every reason to be able to use the chains, but never did/could. Naruto is the same.
    That's also a possibility I considered.

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    Re: Asspulls, plotholes, things you just don't get, and things that Kishi just hasn't gotten to yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    Sasuke had his curse seal and despite that unlocked two different Sharingan levels (2 tomoe and 3 tomoe), so that's no excuse.
    I was discussing / saying about Uzumakis (Kushina, Karin and Naruto) who except for Naruto didn't have any alternative power source to turn to and in desperate state they unlocked their powers.
    While Sasuke is an Uchiha whose power ups have a different set of pre requisites

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    Re: Asspulls, plotholes, things you just don't get, and things that Kishi just hasn't gotten to yet.

    This post will probably get a lot of hate, but whatever.
    IMO the biggest asspull of the manga is Sasuke's strenght: during the fight with Gaara he is weaker than Naruto --> he fights with Naruto and wins thanks to Orochimaru's curse seal (no problem here) --> we see him again at the beginning of part 2 and he is like a lot stronger and more skilled than Naruto --> his strength grows so much that he actually fights equally with Itachi (i can understand even this since Itachi was sick and all, though i found it forced) --> he is no match for Killer B, but at the Kages summit he keeps spamming Susanoo A LOT for example and the list goes on... my problem with all of this is that there is no basis for it, i mean his power came literally out of nowhere, he either got that powerful already at the beginning of part 2 or it's simply a plothole.
    Naruto had to train so much to reach that kind of power and seeing Sasuke being equal to him just like that is absurd IMO. He looks like he is strong because he has to be and that's it.

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    Re: Asspulls, plotholes, things you just don't get, and things that Kishi just hasn't gotten to yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedBerserk View Post
    This post will probably get a lot of hate, but whatever.
    IMO the biggest asspull of the manga is Sasuke's strenght: during the fight with Gaara he is weaker than Naruto --> he fights with Naruto and wins thanks to Orochimaru's curse seal (no problem here) --> we see him again at the beginning of part 2 and he is like a lot stronger and more skilled than Naruto --> his strength grows so much that he actually fights equally with Itachi (i can understand even this since Itachi was sick and all, though i found it forced) --> he is no match for Killer B, but at the Kages summit he keeps spamming Susanoo A LOT for example and the list goes on... my problem with all of this is that there is no basis for it, i mean his power came literally out of nowhere, he either got that powerful already at the beginning of part 2 or it's simply a plothole.
    Naruto had to train so much to reach that kind of power and seeing Sasuke being equal to him just like that is absurd IMO. He looks like he is strong because he has to be and that's it.
    This manga isn't Dragon Ball Z, the mistake you're making here is using comparison. Gaara that fought Naruto wasn't the same as Gaara that fought Sasuke or even Lee. If Naruto fought the Gaara that beat Lee, he would have decisively lost while Sasuke after the training would have probably won.

    Sasuke also never fought equally with Itachi, given Itachi never went close to all out. Sasuke was also a match for Killerbee, which is why Bee praised Sasuke. Plus, the Susano'o didn't mean he was a match, given that he was not able to beat any of the kage but Danzou. Had he had Susano'o, Sasuke would have probably beat Bee. His growth is no different from Naruto's, who had the Kyuubi to help him throughout the series. Both grew naturally and with help, whether from others or from their genes.

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