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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
They could be considered as good people before, but now humans are involved so it's not possible.
I wasn't expecting more closeness between them all, generally speaking (though I'd gladly have made an exception and welcomed it for Historia and Armin's cases).Quote:
As some of us discussed earlier, I doubt she'll be all that happy about the idea but I think Demonspeed said the same thing as you, about how she's got little else driving her at this point. So she might be open to trying it out on those grounds. She certainly has no compelling reason to stand in the way of the SL at the present time, so if she's going to become a "traitor" to the current king anyway, she might as well go all the way. I don't think she'll be willing to be a "puppet" monarch though. That's the interesting part. She's just found the freedom to be who she really is. That might motivate her to be a properly invested and committed ruler.Quote:
But what if they pulled the balloon stunt during the "wall reclamation" mission?Quote:
I'm reasonably confident it was. I think the more telling occasion was back when Hange learned that titans were human at their core and was shown to feel bad about experimenting on them. That said, prior to the "real" torture, the nail removal/punching bag treatment (courtesy of Levi) was clearly all about revenge. That disappointed me in and of itself.Quote:
since some people are talking about Armin's parents, and whether or not they were the one's in the balloon, let me just say this: it may or may not be his parents. if it's important enough, or ties in with the plot, Isayama will mention more about it later on in the manga. but if or when that happens, we never know if it's his parents
Possible but unlikely imo. I think if there is some huge plot reveal about Armin's parents it will be done more deliberately.Quote:
Yeah, I know Hange was upset about what happened to Pastor Nick but I figured she'd be above such things as tormenting someone for revenge. And Levi, I figure he'd be too pragmatic to indulge in something like that. Though I do think they roughed up Sannes (was that his name?) to sort of mentally unhinge his partner (who must have heard the screams, seen the nails on the plate etc.) before making him read the note that caused Sannes to spill it.Quote:
Last edited by kannazuki; March 11, 2014 at 10:01 PM.
I think "no plot" would be too strong a word. I think it's more like it would be the best ending for him to figure out (considering he dismissed the whole "kill'em all massacre" that he initially planned). It would be a great sequel to SnK had it already ended or will end soon; I mean imagine Irvin flying an airship, expanding Historia's empire. lolza
Haha I thought so! (about gesumin!) I remember seeing Isayama's twitter (translated by a fan) that he didn't know what to do with gesumin. Now we know.
No, of course not. As a matter of fact, I think he may have struck a deal in the past which he thought that the MP would keep their word to; however, Papa Reiss may have gone too far with his mistress, which then made MP angry or something, so they wanted to kill Historia and her mom. Geographia, guilty about it, decided to try and mend her ways; it's probably why she's trying to teach Historia things, even if she bumps her head and forget her memories. Also, not to mention, she may have been related to the Reiss as well (in a way); for all you know, she could've been their great-grandmother!!! xD
Oh, is that so? I just find the whole "opened door, Sannes listening, knife over his neck" seems too deliberate to not noticed. That's why. But never mind. hehe
Thank you. I took Literature in college for my A levels, so I have this urge to review and criticise everything hehe
Levi in the class no!? Well, maybe Isayama did it as a fan service and trying to tease us in a way. And no, I just thought that maybe Levi may have known Irvin but he probably ran off from everyone before anyone knew him or something. Come to think of it, Levi does seem like the type who won't like to talk around with people. lolza
Lolza on the survival rate. It sounds just as hard as surviving in SnK. haha!!!
Just a thought.Quote:
If Levi's past from ACWNR is any indication, he's not one to be above roughing people up to fulfill a sense of revenge-based-"justice." It's more Hange that I was surprised about there, and I might be wrong but I even had the impression Levi was just going along with what Hange wanted there. But it's also possible it could have been part of an act to intimidate the other guy, as mentioned above.Quote:
I know this sounds lame, but Capricorns like Levi are apparently practical but they also hold a grudge. I know horoscopes are nothing… but they help constitute and form a picture of their personality (and by far, Levi showing these traits). For example, take a look at the positive/negative traits of Capricorn:
He is prudent, he is practical, he is disciplined (and he does discipline others), he is cautious and patient.
Those negative traits sure looked bits and pieces like him (I wouldn't say he's shy, but he is reserved. As for self-centred, I don't think that's right…)
- You may find the men born under the Zodiac Sign Capricorn somewhat cold, detached and emotionally aloof. But it is their way of protecting themselves from emotional pain and agony. They will gradually open up, express their love and affection and share their experiences, provided they you have given them enough reasons to trust your sincerity.
- However, because they live such a guarded life, people find it very difficult to connect with them on an emotional level. Therefore, their longing for love, respect, and appreciation many a times goes unfulfilled.
- They are friendly and love to converse with people but expecting them to be party animals would be too much. Even when they are at the social gatherings they are a likely to be calm and well-behaved lot, rather than the over-the-top and flamboyant types.
- Often admired for their logical, rational thinking and simple outlook towards life, the Capricorn men are generous and wise. Their concepts are pretty simple and clear and these men will consciously try not to complicate matters. They will channelise their energies in the right direction and come up with practical, acceptable solutions.
- For Capricorn men, relationships are an obligation they take very seriously. They will commit to a relationship, be it a romantic one or a friendship, only if they feel they can give their best to it. There will never be half-hearted attempts from the Capricorn males.
- These men work with single minded devotion, give all that they can to reach their goals and have a life they have always dreamed of leading. The Capricorn men are ambitious, extremely patient, often quite successful and will rarely shout from the rooftops about their each and every accomplishment.
He is emotionally cold, detached and aloof. He is definitely NOT over-the-top and flamboyant, yet he has a neurotic obsession to clean, which makes him appear that way?
Anyways, it is common that Capricorns hold grudges: "Capricorn seems to be the sign that carries the most resentment. Resentment involves not just sensitivity, but a judgmental nature. Capricorn loves authority and is known for its ambition. Whatever the lot in life, Capricorn sees itself at the top of the ladder, whether the ladder is in a corporation, restaurant, store or hot dog stand. By punishing others through denying company and conversation (i.e., “the cold shoulder”), Capricorn willingly creates self-imposed isolation. Isolation can lead to loneliness which leads to more resentment. […] It’s simply saying that those who harbor grudges as a form of punishment may be influenced by this complex and judgmental sign."
He definitely seem to resent what Irvin did to him (I would resent him too if Irvin did the same thing to me, but I won't go far as to "kill" him!).
As for Hange, she is a Virgo. And they're mostly perfectionist. Even if Hange does end up holding a grudge over what happened to Pastor Nick, she would like to execute her revenge in the most perfect way. She did say so to Sannes.
WAIT! Just how far did I go into discussing the whole horoscope personality and traits thing!? xD OMG!
Last edited by kannazuki; March 12, 2014 at 06:12 AM.
It's possible Isayama referenced the Western zodiac while creating his characters, but the passages you quoted don't say much about openly seeking a violent revenge, as opposed to covertly seeking a subtler form of revenge based on social isolation or whatever. If he did reference them, assuming what he read was consistent with this, perhaps he departed at times from what was there (for example I agree Levi isn't self-centred really).
guys i have a question and it might sound stupid: what is a gesumin?
I also got the impression Levi just did what Hange wanted/needed.
Last edited by riccaXX; March 12, 2014 at 05:26 PM.
is this erwin's father in the top panel?