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Thread: Magi 222 Discussion/223 Predictions

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    Re: Magi 222 Spoiler Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Schneider View Post
    I don't think so, buddy.
    Fanalis = sheer strenght
    Origin Dragons = power of creation
    I think there's a huge gap between the two species' Abilities, and of course: strenght <<<<<<<<<<< creation
    We don't know if they are Fanalis, they probably are, but the TL said that they can resist to mind manipulation magic with their life force so they are not using only strength. It means Mor and the others can't use their true power in the world they are actually.

    I just said the lions are stronger than the dragons because they vastly outnumber them.
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    Re: Magi 222 Spoiler Thread

    I also find it rather peculiar that rukh has yet to be mentioned at all. It seems as though it does not exist in this world since magicians should be able to easily see it. I feel as though rukh really was created by Solomon as a way to prevent magicians in the current world from receiving magoi directly from God to avoid the same tragedy from happening.

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    Re: Magi 222 Spoiler Thread

    David is the Medium, isn't he.

    Quote Originally Posted by ladylola View Post
    The white thing with arms is Illa, and when he became a black god it's called Ill Illa. Ill Illa is what happens to Illa when all his magoi is depleted, and is about to die.They're one and the same.
    Ill Ilah is just the name people of Alma Torran call their god.
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    It's been one chapter. Lets revisit this issue when the first volume is out and we actually have an idea of where the story is going? Though I guess my suggestion will probably fall on deaf ears and if/when it is cancelled, the 'I told you so' crowd will pop their collars in misguided and unfounded praise of themselves. ....Just another day in the WSJ thread I guess.

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    Re: Magi 222 Spoiler Thread

    One thing I also don't get though is why they were calling him the black god in the first place before even knowing about the impurity in the magoi. It seems like the type of name you'd give to a malevolent god yet until this chapter they didn't see him as malevolent and still don't. In fact no human has ever seen Illa except for likely David who saw him as a white, benevolent god.

    And Ohtaka just successfully defused the evil from both David and even Illa by making David a victim of both time and a horrific past even worse than Mogamett's, while making Illa's "evil" simply a mechanism of its continued existence brought forth by David's manipulation...

    Magi, a manga where true evil doesn't exist. The closest we ever got was Aum Madaura lol and as I said a while back even she probably has an untold story...
    Last edited by obamamania; April 12, 2014 at 04:13 PM.

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    Re: Magi 222 Spoiler Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Aikyet View Post


    Ill Ilah is just the name people of Alma Torran call their god.
    Not quite right. They first called it Illa, but after it became impure they started calling it Ill Illa, which could be translated as black god or god of sickness. It would take too much time to explain it all to you, but I suggest you see this with Raigerzero.He's the guy who's in charge of the translations for the Arabic nouns.

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    Re: Magi 222 Spoiler Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by obamamania View Post
    One thing I also don't get though is why they were calling him the black god in the first place before even knowing about the impurity in the magoi. It seems like the type of name you'd give to a malevolent god yet until this chapter they didn't see him as malevolent and still don't. In fact no human has ever seen Illa except for likely David who saw him as a white, benevolent god.

    And Ohtaka just successfully defused the evil from both David and even Illa by making David a victim of both time and a horrific past even worse than Mogamett's, while making Illa's "evil" simply a mechanism of its continued existence brought forth by David's manipulation...

    Magi, a manga where true evil doesn't exist. The closest we ever got was Aum Madaura lol and as I said a while back even she probably has an untold story...
    I am thinking gyokuen is pretty close to pure evil

    she even murdered her kids man...

    it doesnt get any lower than that

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    Re: Magi 222 Spoiler Thread

    Classic evil villains are fueled by pure selfish desire to destroy or rule the world simply because they have the power to achieve it or found a way to do it that nobody else ever could. Magi villains do their evil acts because of a ridiculously tragic past that threw them off the deep end. We don't know the full story on Gyokuen, but if she really is Sheba then something horrible clearly happened to her to make her this way. She's not a monster because we need a convenient big boss, she's a monster for a big reason that we aren't aware of. In fact, not a single major character in this manga seems to have a happy past...they're almost all defined by a struggle that's made them really good or really bad. And for David in particular, what he experienced pre-magic was something that no human could even comprehend.

    And another thought, has anyone wondered why David would wait to the ripe young age of 800 to have a son? And then conveniently let that son rampage across the world undoing everything he's ever achieved due the fact that he coincidentally exposed that son to a being immune to his magic who could convert his ideology? I don't think David is ignoring Solomon just because he has other plans, I think Solomon is just part of the scheme and doesn't know it. Look how much magic the resistance is being forced to use in opposition to the church, and vice versa.
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    Re: Magi 222 Spoiler Thread

    I wish chapter 223 would come out now, so I can verify the theory about Sinbad being David's reincarnation. Ever since I read the part where they say that David wants to kill Illa, I can't help but remember Sinbad's words when the 7 seven seas arrived to fight the medium.
    Also I totally agree that there is no pure evil in magi, only characters with tragic pasts. That's what so great about this manga, you have villains that are actually human and you can sympathize with them, but it also makes it hard to hate them even if they did some terrible things, well except for Madaura and some Al Thamen members, but I think that's because they weren't given enough time to really explain their background

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    Re: Magi 222 Spoiler Thread

    Well gyokuen may have went through something terrible

    but if she killed her own kids , she cannot blame that on having a rough past

    even if someone turns into a monster because of external influence, they are still a monster

    however i will agree that she cannot be defined as a classic villain, im hoping this story does produce at least one of those

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    Re: Magi 222 Spoiler Thread

    Too much theology and ethical drama for us to ever get any villains like that. It's not that classic villains are too shallow for Magi, just not quite...appropriate beyond the fodder Al Thamen members who simply exist as puppets for Gyokuen. And yes, Gyokuen is so depraved and vile that it's hard to see how such a creature could have ever had a shred of humanity and yet she must have. Whether she's Sheba, the result of David's manipulation, or even David in disguise (which I really do doubt now but it's a cool theory) she has a reason for becoming what she is beyond the simple fact that she fell into depravity. But really the only one to blame for all of this is the one and only Illa the wise before shriveling up into a black husk... >_>
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    Re: Magi 222 Spoiler Thread

    Do you know what I was suddenly thinking about? That I think that Gyokuen is right, that Solomon might be arrogant man. I mean if I think about it.... Solomon didn't even notice the empty eyes, the darkness in Sheba's eyes in chapter 215 when they were talking together, while in chapter 221 he said that he was afraid that Sheba would turn back in her old self because he noticed that sometimes her eyes turned empty. Than I really think that it is his own fault that she betayed him. He say what he thinks, for example: about ''god being only a lump of power'', without thinking what he said to the other species that ''god real intention is to erase the conflicts among different species'' which Ugo stated to him. Maybe when he turned into a king, he though of himself about as a great king, a king only with a level of god like his father does (not that much but kinda close to him)? Maybe Arba started to think about him as a god figure like the other species and that is why no one could stop his ''arrogance'' for thinking the way he wants? Arba was the only one who knew him from his childhood times and because maybe she started to think as him as a great person like a ''god'' he turned into a arrogance man. Sheba could not stand the way he acted and probably saw everything what she ever heard and learn from him and what she fighted for as a huge lie in her life.

    I think that maybe Solomon turned into an egoistic man when he became a king. Maybe it is a bit too early to say this but the way he thinks right now makes me think about this theory. But of course I can be totally wrong about this! Just a new theory I suddenly though about while listening some soundtracks. xd

    Well I'm looking forward to the following chapters!
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    Re: Magi 222 Spoiler Thread

    I was thinking the same.He may have becomes just like his father, after realizing that Illa is an incompetent god,and probably after hearing the reasons behind David's plan to kill Illa. But what I don't get is how Sheba became so corrupted. Maybe because she idolized Solomon too much, and saw her future self in him.At some point I even think Arba might have abandoned Solomon once she realized that he's not the same person as before, and that he wants to take God's place. This chapter has only comforted the idea that the magicians truly revere and respect Illa, despite everything that happened, and that they'd rather turn their backs on Solomon than betray Illa, even though Solomon is right at the end.

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    Re: Magi 222 Spoiler Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by obamamania View Post
    Solomon didn't exactly surpass God, if so he could have ended Al Thamen's rebellion and stopped Il Illa from destroying the world. God's role has been the regulation of magoi in the world and the attempt to stop it from being disproportionately drained from him. He of course failed, as he does at everything and basically ceded the regulation of magoi to David simply due to a lack of action. I just can't see Solomon surpassing Illa when basically all of his power comes directly from him.
    Indeed, There exist a lot of ways to show that Solomon surpassed both illa and david ...
    Just imagine if Solomon is actually the incarnation of ''that being'' who is higher than illa ... just a speculation
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    Re: Magi 222 Spoiler Thread

    damn good chapter. the red lion species that become the fanalis seem rediculusly beast. mind control!? hell nah. Also, its crazy that illas just some power source from the true higher up. just how powerful is magi gonna get?

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    Re: Magi 222 Spoiler Thread

    so that's why the church build those towers not to control species but to constantly drain the magoi of illah

    OMG TWO VILEPLUME

    100% sure that Zoro already surpassed mihawk! 10/06/10

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