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Thread: Magi 222.5 Discussion/223 Predictions

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    Re: Magi 223 Spoiler Thread

    When david talks about singularities the kanji are the same as the word normally used to refer to sinban

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    Re: Magi 223 Spoiler Thread

    brain-fried....>.<

    its getting more and more confusing...xD
    ‎"To think is easy. To act is hard. But the hardest thing in the world is to act in accordance with your thinking."
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    Re: Magi 223 Spoiler Thread

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    And then after a long tome we will finally able to reach the true singularity that will be in the new born world at the end of the path created by destiny. That is the true utopia
    I feel he's referring to Sinbad by that. So David is the singularity of Alma Torran, not Solomon. And it makes it also possible that Sinbad is the reincarnation of David, though I'm not a fan of that theory. Also he says he will become God himself. What if when he died his body became a lump of magoi like Illa?Except that he'll still retain his conscience. Is it possible that there are others beings like the Illa that was shown?
    So many possibilities,but we'll have to prolly wait till the end of the manga to see some of them confirmed.
    There's still no explanation for the 8 pointed star and its meaning in Magi.I found this while browsing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_Lakshmi
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    Re: Magi 223 Spoiler Thread

    Oh that is very interesting! I also clicked at this one:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rub_El_Hizb

    And look what I found: https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...aUSRGok8-n4osp
    https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...K6MgcdNKRQiEFF

    It also reminds me that my country (but also other countries) had that star in the past and now days: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fl..._1258_1659.svg


    I came with a new theory:

    The middle of the star is suppose to be the core that they are searching for. As for Al-tharmen they are searching for the a pure core of depravity to destroy the world. As I noticed is that the king vessels, when they used their extreme magic, they pointed the star out, right? But it seems that they also had a core of light which is suppose to be Sinbad since he is like the special one and if you have noticed he was the one who stands in the middle of the star which also formed a circle in the middle. As I checked the chapter and the anime (the anime version is more clearly) again: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/magi/v12/c195/17.html
    https://31.media.tumblr.com/bc6d7fc7...2dsmo7_250.gif

    My point is that it is missing the balance. They want to make the world in balance as Solomon tried but unfortunately failed to do, in the end. There is always darkness somewhere even to people that you would not expect to like for example; Sheba. And even if David was a great magician with god-like powers, they entrusted to much powers to him which he became the man as he is now. This also counts for his son, Solomon who was different than him and again everyone who followed him trusted him everything and I think that this became his down fall since he still he got betrayed by his own people. They do not betray someone without a reason and I think they have a good reason why Sheba, Ithnan etc. turned their back to him which had a tragic ending. Also this counts for Sinbad who has already fallen half into depravity and became the man that he did not want to become, as Jafar once said. And I can remember that Mogamett once said that it does not matter if someone has 100 times more powers then others, do not entrust everything to him.


    Geez, I really tried to write my theory as good as I could but with all the noise that I hear around me, it is hard to type what I have in my mind and sometimes I forgot what I wanted to type, so annoying. >w<
    Anyway, I hope that I wrote something that makes sense for you all and I will eventually re-read it later again.
    Last edited by Lovemagi; April 19, 2014 at 04:13 PM.

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    Re: Magi 223 Spoiler Thread

    Yeah I saw the Rub al Hizb in a site but unfortunately it was in French. Here in Morocco and many other Muslim countries, the 8 pointed star is used in architecture a lot. The number 8 is very important since it's said that in the judgement day the throne of Allah will be supported by 8 angels.The number 8 is also used to signify infinity, and the union of opposites(trying to translate that passage from the site btw if you're interested here's the link: http://valeriecharoux.unblog.fr/le-s...dans-lunivers/)
    But what I find more fascinating is that it's a symbol that existed in other cultures, that aren't always connected to Islam.I spent most of the day looking for its significance.
    Well I doubt Ohtaka will spill the beans this early.She has to save it for last, and I just hope that when she does we don't end up more confused.

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    Re: Magi 223 Spoiler Thread

    reading the translation and watching those 5 pages, I can already say that now it is confirmed, according to my POV, that Sinbad is the ''incarnation'' of David, and that
    this world's future will be decided by the Clash between him, as David'incarnation, and Aladdin who is Solomon's incarnation.
    From now on, the MAIN plot willl revolve strictly about Sin and Ala.
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    Re: Magi 223 Spoiler Thread

    If there's one thing I've learned about Magi, its that the important questions are answered in due course. She goes out of her way to explain why things are the way they are. I read mangas where beings like Il Ilah which was originally described as simply "the incarnation of evil, a high order being from another dimension" (which is actually half false when you think about it) would have simply been left as such and would simply fit the roll of super-villain in name only simply because the author doesn't thinks that backstory is enough lol. She just gave us a fairly amazing manifesto of the mastermind here, and I have to say that she really goes all out in adding depth to characters without the need for convenient flashbacks.

    And after this new translation which further connected this to Sinbad, I actually think it further distanced David from him. It related this to Sinbad by giving us a rough idea about what a singularity is, however it made it seem as if such a thing is natural and therefore could happen without someone like David needing to be involved. But when you think about it, Sinbad's ability to be in tune with the world does resemble David at a lesser extent since he hasn't "noticed" things at the level of David and Sinbad's existence itself somewhat reminds me of Illa. He's a huge mass of magoi, and through his metal vessels he can give power to non-magicians who continue to draw power from him so long as he lives to provide it. But that's probably a stretch, I just see these singularities now as the beings closest to Illa.

    And btw, if Aladdin represents Solomon and Sinbad represents David, where exactly does that leave poor Kouen and Al Thamen in general.
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    Re: Magi 223 Spoiler Thread

    They're fodder lol. No but in all seriousness I agree that Sinbad is not entirely like David. Sure they're both singularities, but from what I saw in SnB he truly wants to save the world from conflict and destruction, something that I don't think David really wants.He just goes along with destiny, but at least he's aware of its significance and the role he has to play.So in the end Solomon isn't exactly the one who will create the real utopia, but maybe Sinbad. I can see that happening even more than before.

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    Re: Magi 223 Spoiler Thread

    Sinbad seems to be a hybrid of Solomon and David. He has the role of a singularity, yet like Solomon he is idealistic about the world and hasn't yet quite grasped things like David despite perhaps unknowingly having the capability to do so. I'm still troubled by the fact that this is a man who is being represented as the biggest antagonist, yet his words don't quite show malicious intent for what Solomon will create. He can call it a true utopia, yet somehow that isn't enough for him. It's the same with Sinbad, we sort of know what he intends to create, but unlike Kouen he acts behind the scenes and uses blackmail which sort of makes it seem like it will all be a rather reluctant alliance in the end. He's not that naive though to be unable to see what his underhanded actions are brewing which implies that he really is up to something just as bad as Kouen's sterilized empire.

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    Re: Magi 223 Spoiler Thread

    This whole singularity thing is bothering me.If Sinbad is really like David, then does he really need to do all that black mailing in order to create something that isn't guaranteed to last because of Al Thamen's interference?And what do Al Thamen think of David? We know they hate Solomon, but in a way they're the spiritual successors of David, or not? Maybe David isn't a bad guy, and he truly wants to create an utopia.
    Speaking of which, the true utopia should be a world were all civilizations co exist and respect each other, unlike Kouen's vision, that basically has one civilization that rules everything.Ironically this kind of utopia is what Sinbad is striving for, as it was shown in chapter 24 of SnB. To me Sinbad has a bigger chance to realize that, more than Kouen, but I wonder how he'll manage to do it, given the state of the world, and him being half fallen.
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    Re: Magi 223 Spoiler Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ladylola View Post
    They're fodder lol. No but in all seriousness I agree that Sinbad is not entirely like David. Sure they're both singularities, but from what I saw in SnB he truly wants to save the world from conflict and destruction, something that I don't think David really wants.He just goes along with destiny, but at least he's aware of its significance and the role he has to play.So in the end Solomon isn't exactly the one who will create the real utopia, but maybe Sinbad. I can see that happening even more than before.
    since we are discussing ''shonen'' manga, I think Aladdin, who is the main character, is the one supposed to create that real utopia. And That's why Ohtaka decided to make him Solomon's incarnation from the very begining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Schneider View Post
    since we are discussing ''shonen'' manga, I think Aladdin, who is the main character, is the one supposed to create that real utopia. And That's why Ohtaka decided to make him Solomon's incarnation from the very beginning.
    We're not even sure what Aladdin is, so I'm not sure if it will go like you said.Aladdin is a magi, so he can't become a king or something like that.He's there to support his king candidate, and his main mission is to stop Al Thamen from destroying the world.But I have a feeling that all this is just a prelude, and the real stuff will involve Solomon via Aladdin and David and Sinbad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladylola View Post
    We're not even sure what Aladdin is, so I'm not sure if it will go like you said.Aladdin is a magi, so he can't become a king or something like that.He's there to support his king candidate, and his main mission is to stop Al Thamen from destroying the world.But I have a feeling that all this is just a prelude, and the real stuff will involve Solomon via Aladdin and David and Sinbad.
    As David said, everyone has a mission to accomplish, and what you have jsut said here is the Great King's mission, that is to save people and destroy the most dangerous threat which is Al Thamen ... That's exactly the same mission Solomon was trying to realize, as a great king of alma toran.
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    Re: Magi 223 Spoiler Thread

    i'm confuses with this chapter, my brain is going to explode..
    living in the darkness and now with a new light, i will raise to a new beginning...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Schneider View Post
    As David said, everyone has a mission to accomplish, and what you have jsut said here is the Great King's mission, that is to save people and destroy the most dangerous threat which is Al Thamen ... That's exactly the same mission Solomon was trying to realize, as a great king of alma toran.
    Not originally. People just jump to the conclusion that Al Thamen and the Church are the same, but in chapter 222 Sheba showed that she believes in the mission that Solomon gave to himself, which is to save the other species from the mind control and have peace between the species.He had no intention originally to become king or a god, but something happened that made him to. As David said, Solomon's mission is to create the new world, and he knew his son wouldn't be able to achieve the true utopia.The true utopia will be achieved in the new world. The fact that his followers disagreed with Solomon's ways for whatever reason proves that he wasn't able to unite the humans and other species.Which shows that it's not something easy to accomplish.
    My point is that stopping the world from being destroyed might be easier to accomplish than uniting all the world and achieving world peace.And right now I don't see Aladdin managing to do that.This whole summit is supposed to stop any future wars, but if anything it will manage to establish a temporary peace, and even if it really goes that way, I don't see Aladdin uniting the world anytime soon. Again he's not a king, or a king candidate if you prefer, and if anything Alibaba or Sinbad or any other candidate in the world will do that...but not Aladdin because it's not his role. Or else why would he have been born as a magi?His role is to support the king candidate he chose, and stop the activites of Al Thamen. And even if Al Thamen is no more, I'm pretty sure there will still be reasons for the world to be in war. These two missions are separate, and the success of one does not guarantee the other.
    The title of Solomon's proxy, or Solomon's reincarnation doesn't give us any clue about what Aladdin will accomplish. It just means that he has a connection to Solomon, and a higher understanding of the events that happened in the past.Aladdin broke one of Solomon's rules, and I can see it backfiring at him.
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