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It's like me saying Zanpakutos are strong because we have Ryujin Jakka, and you replying with "Okay, they are cool, but Hinamori's Tobiume is weak, thus Zanpakutos are weak altogether". You just can't say that... "Okay, it was powerful here and there, but it was also weak, thus it's weak!"
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byakuya is the best example of a master with destructive kido, and unohana is a great example of what someone can do with kido and healing
Don't get it twisted. I said it's effectiveness varies greatly on a situational basis but generally in my opinion barring those two really strong forbidden spells and maybe Hachi's teleportation kido it's just not that great.
That form of Aizen was a moron though...yeah, he most likely used that specific spell because it distorted gravity and time or gravity and space or w/e because such a grand display was befitting his new god status. But it did absolutely nothing.
So he had used it because it had looked cool and then said how Ichigo couldn't survive it? Yeah, right. And of course it did nothing, this whole fight showed us how far above Aizen Ichigo was. It wasn't a matter of Kido being weak, it was just Ichigo being too strong.Quote:
I am not sure the exploding thing urahara pulled against aizen was a kido. That was the one technique he used that was never explicitely said to be a kido. It could have been a tool that was planted into a kido.... Perhaps that is too much of a technicality though.
The manga has made the point that the issue with kido in battle is just how absurdly difficult an art it is. Renji is perhaps one of the most talented people of his generation and from what I gather he is unable to actually use kido at all. Its not a matter of him not training it, he is simply unsuited to the task. And even then, being talented at it is not quite enough. Urahara is presumably talented at it and he still needs incantations for level 90 kido and a bunch of what was effective against aizen was so because aizen was being careless. In that context kido has been used in a way that makes sense, its not really something that has been underplayed...
I don't think manga ever said Urahara NEEDS incantation for Kidos in the 90s. It gets stronger with incantation, that's for sure. Aizen's Kurohitsugi was at 1/3 of its power because he just said "spell #90, Kirohitsugi"
True however even aizen refered to his level 90th kido at a third of its intended power a failure. The issue here is the time an incantation takes, in most scenarios needing an incantation in itself would render a kido useless as it basically announces what you are going to do. With the aizen bit the manga went well out of its way to make the point that aizen intentionally was not being careful and ichigo against the kurohitsugi simply waved the technique away (and I would think he could have as easily just attacked aizen while he was chanting anyways).
The question here would be whether urahara's level 90th kido without an incantation would be useful against an enemy who is being careful or without its intended full power. In most cases I doubt it, at worst a waste of power considering in most situations shikai easily gets you 100% of your power. Urahara does not seem to have it in him to use level 90th kido at full power (or close to it) without incantations, that seems to be more in hachi's and tessai's territory.
Urahara used Bakudos to stop Aizen. Countless Bakudos. Of course, Aizen could break free from them, but the technique itself was still impressive. Bakudos gave Aizen time. When Aizen said it was already too late, Urahara finished chanting. He could just pew pew him, but it probably wouldn't be able to mask those 2 seals.Quote:
10 chantless Bakudos are game over for any opponent other than god-tier Aizen. If he could land one Bakudo on Aizen, he can Bakudo anyone. And if he does, he can shoot countless Bakudos to completely restrain his opponent, because I don't think anyone would be able to break free immediately before next 10 Bakudos come. Maybe if you are Aizen or Ichigo. Or maybe Juha. In a fair fight I think Bakudos are pretty useful. And if he restrains someone with few Bakudos, he has time for Hadous with incantations, few of them.Quote:
He used 3 (maybe 4) high level bakudo (but below the 80th level IIRC). And even then, urahara said that aizen wouldn't have let him just act normally... Everything that was said in that battle specifically makes the point that aizen took hit after hit because he could barely be bothered to dodge. Urahara did not even aim for the wrist seal to kill aizen, every step he took there was a diversion for the kido that did seal aizen himself.
True, getting sealed like that would be mostly game over however the manga has presented presented context over which the situation is more complicated. We have seen several cases of people breaking out of high level kido (although not too many considering kido is in itself weird). Even when sealed it is not unconscionable that someone could break out. It would depend on the situation but still. Urahara sealed aizen with several bakudo but only in an scenario where aizen was not defending himself properly (urahara made that point himself). In that regard it is not necessarily easy to catch someone in a bakudo like that to begin with, even if weaker than aizen himself. If urahara had caught an aizen that was taking him seriously it would be one thing but that was hardly the case. Heck, in that scenario urahara's kido would be virtually unbeatable and it would essentially render everything else he can do virtually obsolete.
What was Harribel special attack that she had been preparing to use against Hitsugaya in FKT by raising the moisture level of their battlefield.
Anyway, back to the topic. As I've stated before, I want to see the origins of the Shinigami and how it ties in with the Quincies; I strongly believe there's a connection, as they're literally polar opposites on a molecular level. I also believe they're tied into Humans and Hollows somehow; it could be that the Shinigami are to Hollows as what the Quincies are to Humans (as Humans and Hollows are also polar opposites to each other). In other words, I believe Shinigami are derived from Hollows similar to how Quincies are derived from Humans.
I'd like to see, Tessai, Urahara and Yoruichi together and fight the 8 Sternritter. Obviously, that fight would be in their favor, but Kubo illustrating that for the next 3-5 chapters would be epic. One kidou user, shunpo user and zanpakuto user all utilizing their skills in a fight like that. Awesome.