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Translations: Bleach 595 (2)
1st Scenario Tobirma wins!
1st Scenario Riakge wins!
2nd Scenario Tobirama wins!
2nd Scenario Raikage wins!
Thte Third couldn't brag or talk for himself anyway, he was under Kabuto's control.Quote:
What do you mean by still a thing?
Yes, but that still amounts to there being no precedent of the third bragging about himself. So the notion that he would is still an assumption with no basis.
Context clues; if it has his name and he's the only one in the series that we've been told about, I think we can conclude that for ourselves. And wouldn't an assumption based on the name be better than an assumption based on nothing at all? Like the third Raikage being affiliated with the group for whatever reason?
Last edited by KiSwordsman; July 20, 2014 at 11:13 AM.
He would not brag, but he might just mention or talk about that, probably as a warning. If he doesn't though, then Tobirama will have more difficulties.Quote:
But there's no mention of that. Weren't the Kinkaku force members responsible for killing Tobirama? Yet no mention at all?
this. That may not be bragging but that's an indication that given the fact that they are from his time, they know he's dead. I'm also not sure where they said that they killed the second Raikage. The situation with the second from both the cloud and leaf was brought up by sources other than them.
Are you trying to find out the meaning of the names so that you can use that as a way to say that the brothers weren't affiliated, it was just the name of the group?
Like I said, they were still respected despite the fact that they were criminals, it doesn't change the fact that they were criminals. The very chapter before that we had random ninja #675 referring to them with the honorific "Sama." The time of the coup.
Why would one warn a person that they are trying to kill? Doesn't really make much sense. I wouldn't say no mention at all, refer to that link.
Edit: Once again, context clues. And just so it's not said that Kabuto informed all of his dead puppets that the second was gone, that's not the case. From that, we know that there were some from his era that believed him to still be alive. Until they were informed otherwise, that is. So for the brothers to be aware that he was dead.... You see where I'm going with this.
Last edited by KiSwordsman; July 20, 2014 at 09:45 PM.
I think it was Ae who said the brothers killed the Second Raikage and brought Tobirama to the brink of death? Interestingly, if this was before Tobirama's death, why would Kumo keep the name of Kinkaku when its namesake betrayed the village?
Yes and no. It's to say that there's a possibility there was no affiliation, that it could mean the squad was considered the best among the best in Kumo, similar to the ANBU.Quote:
Darui did praise them, but as the fight went on he started to disrespect them and if I recall correctly, said they were nothing but shameful criminals.Quote:
Dunno, maybe the Third Raikage enjoys a great fight? Maybe it could be him bragging a bit? Trashtalking? Given Tobirama's intellect and great observation ability though, there's a chance he can deduce what could hurt or might have hurt the Raikage just from seeing his ultimate jutsu.Quote:
What about them knowing the era they were revived in? I dunno about the brothers, but I remember Gaara's dad telling the Edo kage that they were revived decades after their time. There can be different ways for the brothers to be aware Tobirama was dead, though. Hiruzen knew Madara was dead, but does that mean he played a part in Madara's death? Zetsu saw and recorded the fight between Itachi and Sasuke, and Itachi's death... does that mean he killed Itachi?Quote:
Of course, I'm not saying Kinkaku had nothing to do with the squad or the death of Tobirama. There's more indication to both than there is against.
Anyway, does Tobirama have an attack that could make the Raikage stab himself? Naruto needed teh rasengan and Sage Mode strength, apparently. I assume he probably does, given how he was breaking teh wall trying to get out to fight Madara.
That was not said, Ēi mentioned the ambush, and Tsunade mentioned that her uncle was brought near death.Quote:
And honestly dude, that's reaching. I mean what, 10 years later manga time there's a team named Naruto and we'll say their named that because they all happen to like fishcake ramen. Come on now.Quote:
Okay how does that change things? We both know what the manga said about that.Quote:
And that's pure speculation. What we know as fact is there's no precedent for the third to talk about himself bragging or otherwise. So to say that it would happen for reasons is not enough. And it's guesswork to think that tobirama could come to any type of conclusion without key pieces of information that he would not have.Quote:
It's the same thing as saying itachi could still beat Sasuke because... smart.
Just like with all the other zombies, they would be revived knowing the information that they did when they died. Yes, because his father died in an era where tobirama was long gone. Same goes for hiruzen, he died way after madara. And we know what zetsu was doing at the time of itachi's death. While I do appreciate taking the unknowns into account some of the time, it does not work all the time. I could say that killer bee had diarrhea that entire time he was offscreen. Simply based on the fact that we had no idea what was going on or what he was doing. There are a lot of unknowns that one can account for, but in discussions like these it just amounts to pure speculation that's why we have to use the clues given to us to determine what happened.Quote:
Kakashi has "1000" techniques. Do we know every single one of them? No we don't. Point, we can't guess that tobirama has something that he has not shown.Quote:
Last edited by KiSwordsman; July 21, 2014 at 08:55 PM.
Well, we know Naruto would have something to do with the team as squads in Konoha are generally named either after the sensei or a number. Kumo could be run differently.Quote:
So it's not possible for Tobirama to wonder if the Raikage's own jutsu injured him if the Raikage managed to stab through anything that should have been difficult or impossible to stab through?Quote:
Yes, that's the point we know how this works already. Why go out of our way to think things are different at least in that regard when it comes to other villages? That's too much assuming. It just comes across like reaching to get a point.
I've already made my stance on how far Tobirama would actually get within the fight. However, the initial argument was the Raikage talking. Assuming that he would offhandedly mentioned anything about his technique is just that an assumption. Even the moniker itself.Quote:
The fact of the matter is without key bits of information one could conclude a variety of ways that the Raikage could have come to obtain that scar. As much as you like to reach for unknowns, it wouldn't even necessarily have to be a battle scar. For all Tobirama knows he could've obtained it outside of battle. If, he was aware of the third moniker that would be one thing. However, given his time of death I doubt that to be the case.
And like I've already stated, even if we were to say that the events were not connected, that still guesswork on Tobirama's behalf.
Not really seeing the point. Is that a technique of some sort, did he give it a name? That was the whole point of the Kakashi analogy. Just because the guys shown that he can push things really hard does not mean that he has a technique strong enough to replicate what Naruto did. Can you name the technique that he apparently has? See the more we talk about this, the more guesswork is presented.
Keep in mind, Naruto did what he did while in Sage mode. Something that allowed him to chuck a gigantic rhinoceros. Something that's supposed to empower all of his techniques only managed to push the guys arm and not blow it off completely.
Last edited by KiSwordsman; July 22, 2014 at 03:46 AM.