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    Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    But we forget that a Biju + Susano is better then each individual. Especially if their both respective attacks combine to make Bijudama sword sphere.

    But individually there about about even in strength and weaknesses. Like we have seen variations of Susano that can fly as well as be used as a near indestructible shield. To my knowledge only 1 biju can fly and they can be hurt and bleed, such as the goat/ ram Biju against Gyuki. But a Susano's weakness is that it needs an owner to operate and their chakra while performing it is in constant use. Then we know that Biju have a healing factor to some degree and their own unique chakara powers.

    Soo yea there pretty even. Unless they work together then they can take down a 10 tailed jinjuriki


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    Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    Quote Originally Posted by KungPaoChicken View Post
    But we forget that a Biju + Susano is better then each individual. Especially if their both respective attacks combine to make Bijudama sword sphere.

    But individually there about about even in strength and weaknesses. Like we have seen variations of Susano that can fly as well as be used as a near indestructible shield. To my knowledge only 1 biju can fly and they can be hurt and bleed, such as the goat/ ram Biju against Gyuki. But a Susano's weakness is that it needs an owner to operate and their chakra while performing it is in constant use. Then we know that Biju have a healing factor to some degree and their own unique chakara powers.

    Soo yea there pretty even. Unless they work together then they can take down a 10 tailed jinjuriki

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    Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    Karin is just, maybe, inexperienced compared to the sensor types in HQ used for the war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby_Temple View Post
    Karin is just, maybe, inexperienced compared to the sensor types in HQ used for the war.
    Probably, but since she was one of Orochimarus "Experiments" I think her level should be high Chunin or Medicore-Low Jonin at most. Her sensory abilities aside, the healing abilities are pretty unique though. She has to get bit. That's some weird stuff bro

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    Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    Can someone else please come up with a good explanation as to how the Raikage's chakra is better than Madara's? As far as I see, it's a biased and illogical claim.

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    Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    If we go by Madara's destructive power, his Chakra would easily be greater than that of Raikage. But the Chakra of Itachi or Sasuke is nothing special for a Jonin-level, yet their Mangekyou techniques are absurd. And even for the meteorite technique Madara used the Susano'o. There is the Rinnengan which Obito said he barely could withstand using one eye, but Nagato didn't had a "Bijuu"-level Chakra and had full control of it.
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    Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    The manga of course.

    Uchiha = Representatives of Yin, talented and with visual magic and powerful chakra.

    Senji = Representatives of Yang, not as quickly adapted as Yin representatives, but with strong will and their strong body, they develop in due time comparable might or even supremacy of might over Yang representatives as they literally have to push their bodies physique to the utmost limit while Yin reps might is determined my mental/emotional strength with is sometimes circumstantial.

    YIN/YANG http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...0-page-11.html

    http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...2-page-12.html

    http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...1-page-14.html http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...1-page-17.html

    http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...8-page-17.html

    Other examples are scattered throughout the manga stating the exact same thing that it's redundant looking through them. You can do that.
    While I can appreciate the effort you’ve put into sourcing these references none of them confirmed that Senju have a higher chakra capacity than the Uchiha; it only suggests that Uchiha are naturally more powerful; Senju have a stronger body; and, that there is a variation in how that chakra might manifest itself. Nothing more. And since Madara and Hashirama are considered equals, there is little in favour of your claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    In the first place, Oonoki seemed supprised that Uchiha Madara was able to stabilise his chakra into that huge warrior chakra construct. However, we know Madara is a YIN representatives. The power of creation through mental energy is something we, the readers, knew about. It doesn't mean he had bijuu like quantity of chakra. He just has strong chakra.
    He was surprised because it’s something he didn’t think was possible. Madara and Indra are exceptions, because as Hagoromo already stated, Indra was born with his chakra and it took much effort and the cooperation of his friends for Ashura to gain the same power.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    Now answer my question as it is relevant to pre-initiation of this debate. Does Sasuke and now Uchiha Kakashi or Obito (haha, now they've joined the group) have bijuu-like quantity of chakra--in spite of being representatives of Mental energy with STRONG chakra-- simply because they have EMS?
    I have only referred to Madara, whose PS is still larger than those you've mentioned, so why is it you keep mentioning other Uchiha? Obito was the Juubi's former host, so it's safe to assume his chakra far exceeds that of a mere Raikage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    Kakashi Hatake, who admittedly stated that he had inferior chakra reserves to part one Naruto is now Kakashi Uchiha Hatake Senji of both Yin and Yang, the copy ninja of the strong and mighty (YIN) but also plentiful and majestic (YANG) bijuu chakra reserves.
    We have no idea of knowing Kakashi's current chakra capacity, so there's no sense in bringing this the debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    Oh, Sakura probably also now has Bijuu-like chakra reserves as she had way more chakra than Kakashi hence she was more effective in bring back Uchiha Sasuke from the desert dimension, Uchiha Sasuke who apparently also has Bijuu-like chakra reserves even prior to the SAGE Power-up. And now, Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke and Kakashi/Obito, the 4/1/2 people opposing Kaguya all have Bijuu-like chakra reserves.
    You're making a fool of yourself,

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    This isn't a vocal corresponding debate where several members are in a room constrained by time arguing out what they feel relevant, this is a public forum where individuals can freely express their POV on a matter that pique their interest. Being a public forum, you are not obliged to reply to any counter-argument formed against a comment you've made as this is a leisure room that enables us to converse however we please and whenever we desire.
    Essentially, what I'm saying is that you can reply to any comment 100 years after it had being formed if there is still activity in a thread, and you'd get a pass no matter what.
    ...

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    Hehe, I said however we please but there is still a fundamental condition in debating you ought to upkeep if you want to be taken seriously. Not to reply half-assedly!
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    You decided to be a participant of this public forum and partook in this particular debate, so I'd expect that you don't carry the notion that suddenly you can use a poor mans line like "so long-winded I honestly don't know what you're debating anymore" just to escape having to write a counter-argument.
    ...

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    If the above wasn't your honest intention, then you've done an horrendous convincing otherwise. You simply do not write those words. It paints a picture that you are perhaps too young to participate in a debate.
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    There are countless comments made by innumerable members of the Naruto forum section of mangahelpers who had participated in debates and have written about 5x greater than amount you complained to be too long for you.
    That may very well be true, but at least they're not boring!

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    So I don't wanna hear a lame mans excuse.
    Yawn!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    Madara and his uchiha fought for 24 hours? Incredible... The Raikages have Bijuu-like chakra, inhuman stamina that enables them to fight alone, all by themselves, with no backing up and without rest for 3 days and 3 nights
    You don't know the details surrounding the Raikage's battle. It's all hearsay since all his comrades were cowards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    Massive difference between the feats. The Uchiha and Senji were at war. During war, their are many variables that alter the war. For instance, the use of ninja tools, healing pads, chakra pills and other supplementary items of that nature. Actually, that 24 hours it took to finally bring down Uchiha Madara, the leader urging his Uchiha follows or members on, is nothing compared to what other wars shinobi have partake in.
    What does this statement have to do with anything?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    The 3 ninja world war lasted for 10 years http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...4-page-17.html 10 years of fighting. Other great ninja world wars lasted that long also. Even in the recent war, Shinobi are battling left and right zombies and WZs tirelessly longer than 24 hours, then Naruto arrived and speedblitzed the length significantly by coercing the orchestrator of the War to mobilise his treasured troops and head forth with them.
    They have not been fighting continuously for 24 hours. There was a lull in the war during the first night. There are medical ninja attending to the wounded. At most there were a hand full of assassinations by the White Zetsu but nothing compared to the alliance’s death toll of 40,000.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    That 24hrs is nothing compared to a LONE MAN, with no medical ninjas or tools to back his ass, going on a rampage, soloing an army of 1000s of elites for 3 days and nights of non stop fighting (and yes he was alone as he commanded his people to flew so that they might live) http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...3-page-13.html . That's an insane feat. That's a Raikage!
    Again, this is hearsay. The details of the battle were not disclosed by anyone who was there. Hashirama is no normal shinobi. As with Madara, the average shinobi would last seconds let alone a whole day. I think those 24 hours of using massive jutsu is a more than suitable comparison.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    I've gotta correct you on what you said also about Madara tanking. Madara withstood the tailed beast assault not tank em. He accomplished this partially with Susanoo. He also had Hashirama's Tsunade level auto regen and he had Hashirama's Sage Mode which increased his physical durability. Remember Naruto had a wrestling contest with Kurama in sage mode? http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...58-page-9.html but Madara was still battered up, left in a bloody mess and lost at least a segment of his body (His hand for example was severed in the chaos).
    It doesn't matter how he achieved it. What matters is that it happened. Besides, we already know he allowed that to happen because he really didn't give two hoots. He was able to fight the Biju long before acquiring Hashirama’s cells.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    It wasn't. Nagato originally had his own plans regardless of Obito joining him or not, and should he succeed, he would have wiped countries off the map with his nuke jutsu...The world would be rid of every ninja should he succeed in retrieving the Beast. He would have no oppositions as his Rinnegan powers, with his tailed Beasts effectively trumps every Akatsuki members and the military power of the world. Even though Nagato changed his initial plan, he still played his own game, not Obito's game.
    Tell me how he was going to achieve this plan without the Gedo Mazo? Who do you think taught Nagato how to use the Rinnegan or how to create the Pain Jutsu? Tobi was most definitely running the show. Still, this is irrelevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    Again, it was through Nagato that Akatsuki members were put on a leash from doing whatever they wanted. Obito was a man in the shadows who helped Nagato and thought he had everything figured out. But that wasn't the case, hence Konan was long ready to put him to sleep should the time arise. http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...10-page-2.html
    600 Billion explosive bombs in the butt (Still puzzled by those numbers)
    That's the whole point of being a puppet master. You pull the strings while others do your bidding, duh! Again, another totally pointless statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    Correction, Yugura was theorised to be capable of maybe controlling his Beast but we know that most certainly isn't true as he was controlled by a Obito's MS genjustu http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...58-page-3.html ..Keyword word here, "maybe", connoting perhaps he might or he possibly could. Maybe!
    That 'maybe' extended to Killer B as well. Obito is likely a far more proficient user of genjutsu than Sasuke, and we have already seen that a genjutsu user can enter the host's mind and suppress both.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    MS genjutsu was used against Bee and Gyuki said a big no no to that. We know Killerbee was a perfect host as opposed to Yugura who was controlled. Now Naruto is as well.
    It was just a regular sharingan genjutsu. Had it been Itachi's Tsukuyomi or Shishiu's Kotoamatsukami we would be able to confirm Killer B's statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    Sasuke saying Naruto shouldn't step out of his susanoo because RinneganSharingan genjutsu (which is different from a mere MS sharingan gen) would control him is also an assumption like the Akatsuki's assumption about needing to seal the beast in the order of tails so that the statue won't crumble (I'm still scratching my head that you didn't realise that was a plot point to keep Naruto, the MC, who still wasn't strong enough to fight all of Akatsuki at that time, ALIVE). There's no way he'd know for sure if the Sage's chakra wouldn't reject the effects like it rejected Kagura's hold http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...0-page-13.html and there's no way to know whether or not the 9 separate Bijuus inside Naruto wouldn't bust him out of the effects.
    Naruto has never been good at dispelling genjutsu let alone Sharingan genjutsu. You have no way of proving otherwise. I'll accept your theory if we later find that Killer B was able to dispell the Infinite Tsukuyomi, but until then it stands to reason that Naruto is just as vulnerable as everyone else.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    LMAO!! You were the one who persistently stuck with the misconception that Akatsuki absolutely had to seal the Beast in order of least tails to the most tails with interval during sealing to prove that 9>8>7>6>5>4>3>2>1 in power--otherwise the Statue would "crumble" right?
    You're behaving like a moron. I said the order didn't matter so much until 8 and 9.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    Well, Madara basically gave the middle finger to that notion and decided to seal every beast into the statue at the same time without any interval, proving Akatsuki's initial theory to be false. ALL 9 TAILED BEAST SEALED AT ONCE AT THE SAME TIME.
    No he didn't. The process was just accelerated on account of him being a more proficient user, but there was still an order, whereby Gyuki and Kurama entered the Gedo Mazo last. That is fact!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    The wood dragon is a different tech to the sealing palm tech. The dragon binds/immobilises/retrains and absorbs chakra from any being. They could be Man and they could be Beast. You also didn't show the whole story. In a few pages later, Naruto forced his way out of the dragon's hold http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...8-page-15.html
    It's the same Dragon that bind Madara for Naruto's SM Chou FRS to hit Madara (I've shown you the panel when this happend).
    Naruto didn't force his way out, he simply exited the Biju Mode before losing the ability to use jutsu. Had it trapped him in his human form, the same thing would have happened. The dragon doesn't immobilise, it simply restrains while draining chakra. The process isn't instant and isn't flawless. Notice, Hashirama still needed to use Senpō: Myōjinmon to immobilize Madara, which is also the reason he uses Mokuton: Mokujin no Jutsu. Like I said, if the Jinchuuriki's control was absolute, Killer Bee would have escape without Guys help, Naruto would have been able to resist Madara's chakra chains and Yagura wouldn't have been trapped in genjutsu for so long.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    The sealing tech literally puts the beast to sleep. Good luck attempting that when a partner is there to wake em up. Or should I say partners as Naruto now as a total of 9 beast inside.
    This statement is pointless because a) we've seen the host’s control isn't absolute and b) it doesn't prove that Madara's chakra is less than 1/10 of Hashirama or the Raikage, finally Naruto is the exception not the rule.

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    Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    We keep on assuming that the Raikage and Madara chakras are either way off from each other, however, it may be more like the Akimichi clan. The Akimichi clan, or Chojis clan if you don't know, have a problem with keeping their chakra within their bodies, and use food and f- CUDDLINESS! I said cuddliness Choji. Into reserves and instant chakra since everything has its own chakra. Perhaps Raikage is the same in the fact he can't maintain his chakra. Sure he can control it and mold it and use it, however he may not have the necessary limitations to his chakra reservoir. He may be unconsciously letting out unneeded amounts of chakra and dampening the amount he may have in reserve. Meaning, he could have bijuu level or Kaguya level chakra reserves, however if he's letting it out continuously at an unknown level, all that chakra would be practically useless! It's like having three hundred thousand bullets put into your machine gun, and while you may shoot only a few shots, another one behind you is firing from the other end of the belt. Causing both of you to depleat your shots and leave you both empty.

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