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Translations: Gintama 506 (2)
Can Madara control kuybi within Naruto?
We have seen Sasuke suppressing kyubi's chakra entering Naruto 's mind, we can imagine madara doing the same.
Can he just unleash it? Maybe not, he would have done so before,so why does he have to extract it then? Does he want kyubi as a weapon or does he need it for something else?
Did yodaime do something to prevent Madara from unleashing Kyubi with his eye power?
Has somebody given a thought to the fact that Madara could interact with kyubi in naruto's mind and its consequences.
I hope I' m not the only one interested in this, please give me your ideas.
i don't think so because if he can then he would have go after naruto by himself.
thanks for your post.
Well from what I can read, and this is my interpretation, Madara was able to control Kyuubi itself to do his bidding. From the few explanations & shots of Madara & Kyuubi, seems as though he warps Kyuubi's mind to do what he wants.
As it stands now, Kyuubi the beast is locked deep within Naruto's consciousness. The closest we've had to it being "outside" is when Naruto goes 4tk.
So as it is, I don't think Madara can actual do anything to Naruto since Kyuubi the persona isn't in control of Naruto. Naruto, the human, is the one who is controlling Kyuubi's powers(since he lends them to him), not Kyuubi itself, therefore I don't see how Madara could "control" Naruto. >_<
At the worst, he can do like Sasuke and do something to hinder Naruto using Kyuubi's pwoers if he has control over Kyuubi's chakra itself, but I'll stick to the assumption it's the beast's persona he's having control over.
Seeing how Sasuke entered Naruto's mind and suppressed Kyubi's chakra quite effortlessly, I would think Madara can do the same and even more. He can simply enter Naruto's mind, mind control Naruto and have him remove the seal. However, there has to be a fail safe device(the 'key'?) Minato came up with to prevent something like this from happening. So far we've seen Naruto allowed Kyubi to take over and there hasnt been an instance where something one else or someone that controls over him and let Kyubi's chakra runs wild. With the exception of the 'key' which we dont know if Naruto has to use it on himself or someone else can.
what is the point of minato sealing the kyuubi in naruto if madara could just control it inside naruto? i doubt madara can control it inside naruto. Also i believe sasuke was able to surpess the kyuubi inside naruto because naruto was surpessing it himself by rufusing the kyuubi help.
If Sasuke can suppress the Kyuubi then by default Madara has to suppress and most likely control it as well. but IMO the reason that madara didnt try to suppress/control the Kyuubi when he was fighting the two teams of Konoha is that he want his status to remain "dead".
think about it, everybody thinks that pain the real mastermind of AK, and all that is because few know that Madara is alive.
time will come when he will regain control of the Kyuubi, however, that time hasnt come yet.
yes and no.
No in the current state since I can assume he only got one sharingan eye and I think you need two to control them. Maybe some reason for him to get sasukes eye?
Madara is surely hiding is identity as an uchiha but I think that he can't hide anylonger. Jirayia suspected him, eventhough it seemed absurd to the frog.Kakashi saw the sharigan, so tsunade will probably figure out that he can be alive. Aka members seem to defy laws of time and death , so it will be plausible for them that madara is still alive.
Last edited by seya; May 13, 2008 at 05:45 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
I am with the argument that Madara cannot not control the Kyuubi within Naruto...I think he could potentially supress it...Maybe of he used genjutsu on Naruto, he can force Naruto to go tail mode and then when the Kyuubi takes over maybe control it...
Also we don't why Minato sealed the Kyuubi they way he did (in terms of Yin and Yang) but it might be that because of this method of sealing, the Uchihas cannot no longer control the Kyuubi but only surpress it because a vital piece of the Kyuubi is missing....just a thought...
I really doubt madara can just enter naruto's mind and then control the kyubi. But the most he could do is suppress the 9-tails. But even that is difficult b/c when sasuke suppressed the 9-tails, naruto was hesitant in using its power and trying to suppress it himself giving sasuke a chance to take action.
Also as stated above, the 4th is a genious. He wouldn't sacrifice sealing the 9-tails if there was a possibility that a uchiha could enter naruto's mind and release. no. i bet the seal negates the effects of the sharingan. EMS is said to be able to control the 9-tails, but nothing stated that it could control jinchuuriki.
I have my own little personal theory: I believe that Madara primarily controlled Kyuubi through the yin chakra, and Shodai primarily controlled Kyuubi thorugh the yang chakra. If that was how Shodai defeated Madara in the Valley Of The End, he would probably have documented that somewhere, since he WAS the first Hokage. Minato would have read that, since he WAS the fourth Hokage and a hard-working genius to boot.
I figure that Minato must have suspected that Madara was alive and behind the Kyuubi attack, and therefore devised a way to split Kyuubi's chakra. Sealing only the yang chakra inside Naruto would help prevent Madara from being able to fully control Kyuubi.
Last edited by SmallTiger; May 19, 2008 at 02:22 PM.
I realy dont know the answer to this question, however if I were Madara, I would have let Kyuubi go wild on team Konoha when I met up with them lol.
Well you'd think Madara would just control Naruto into his arms instead of goign through the trouble of hunting him if he could do it that simply >_>
From the way he spoke to Hawk, capturing the remaining 2 Bijyuus still is his first priority so if he could do it tat easily, I think he could have.
Which strikes another question to mind, why didn't Madara simply take Naruto during their brief encounter?