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    Musician's Song

    from chapter 133
    its the verses for the music score that are sung in Allen's Head
    1...and then the boy...
    2 ...fell deep asleep...
    3 ...the gasping flames within the ashes/one by one...
    4 ...rise up and expand into that beloved face...
    5 suspended from the earth... thousands of dreams
    6 on the night when those silver eyes trembled/you were born/ shining brightly
    7 hundreds of millions of months/ and years/ no matter how many prayers are returned to the earth...
    8 I shall continue to pray
    line 1 and 2: in recent chapters we know the heart is hiding and the person with it might not know

    line 3 and 4 you notice a cross shaped flame possibly refering to Allen being the heart

    line 6: probably refering to the Earl silver eyes (edit)

    line 7: something to do with akuma
    no matter how many " prayers" of their loved ones souls to come back to earth

    line 8: "continue to pray" for a better future?


    http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/133/04/ (lines 1-4)

    http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/133/05/ (lines 5-...)

    there could be other theories
    like the above 4 lines is refering to Allen being 14th and then being reborn as a half...
    (wish it'd be that simple)

    but discuss away!!!
    thanks to anyone who posts!
    Last edited by hopeandlight; May 11, 2008 at 01:38 PM. Reason: a thing or two

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    Re: Musician's Song

    hmm...maybe it's like a prophecy or something similar?

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    Re: Musician's Song

    Hmmm... Hearing the lyrics again made me think of something: Could it be implying that Allen is/will be a Noah, after all?

    Back in chapter 86, the Earl mentions that the 14th issue happened before Jasdevi was "born". Yet we know from later chapters (102?) that Jasdevi is about the same age as Allen and Lenalee. Since the 14th stuff obviously happened during Allen's lifetime, and Allen is probably the lower limit of Jasdevi's possible age, it doesn't make sense that the Earl is referring to their years of life. (The song also mentions "silver eyes"; a newborn baby, though, has blue eyes. If it refers to Allen, he can't be that little.) It's possible that by "birth", the Earl means their awakening as a Noah.

    Again, newborn babies don't have their naturally coloured eyes - they have blue ones. So unless Hoshino forgot this, Allen can't really have been "born" in the sense that we think of, either - he wouldn't have silver eyes. Either the song is referring to someone else's eyes (seems weird, since even if that theory that the 14th is Allen's father is true, why would the 14th refer to himself as having "those silver eyes"?), or Allen wasn't a baby. And what other definition of "birth" is there that we know is used by Noah, and wouldn't require the person to be a baby?

    That phrase about the "gasping flames within the ashes... rise up and expand into that beloved face" somehow is reminiscent of the Noah-forehead-crosses, too. Maybe it's just me, but that's the mental image I get when reading that passage. I suppose it could just mean his face is being illuminated, buuuuut...

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    Re: Musician's Song

    Great topic!! I always wanted to talk about the lullaby.
    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    Again, newborn babies don't have their naturally coloured eyes - they have blue ones.
    Well, I thought it was some babies? True, the whites of their eyes are blueish, but all of my cousins I've seen born had black eyes...*shrug*

    Ah, I also discovered something about the poem: there's an extra line!! From chapter 135 (Cnet's translation):

    "...I shall continue to pray
    Please, give this child love
    And a kiss into his hand as it is held
    "

    This can hint at some other being giving Allen his innocence. ^_^

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    Re: Musician's Song

    Hi I'm a new one ^^ so hi everyone

    About the song well I think its some kind of prophecy well :


    those lines :
    1...and then the boy...
    2 ...fell deep asleep...


    might be about Allen death from tyki (the boy = Allen ,deep asleep=this death moment and the dream he had) well he fell in one deep sleep and then he woke up


    next lines :
    3 ...the gasping flames within the ashes/one by one...
    4 ...rise up and expand into that beloved face...


    They might mean allen waking up from the dream (the death moment), well "ash" is something that died (burned and cant turn back how it was) but the flames can mean inocence that brought Allen back to life (well his inocence even turned into ash so we can see it like that too ^^) "expanded into that beloved face" well they say that Allen is loved by God (even Mana loved him and he could be the 14th noah)

    Well Allens inocence turned into ash/dust but even in that form it had power and will to live (gasping flames within the ashes) and with Allens strong feelings inocence turned back and changed shape so it could exist with Allen (the 4line) ^^

    next line:
    5 suspended from the earth... thousands of dreams


    It could say about the ark where he can wish what he dreamt off like sayving his friends was his biggest dream ^^ well he was in the ark that was above earth so "it was suspended " ^^

    next line:
    6 on the night when those silver eyes trembled/you were born/ shining brightly


    It could mean Allen turning to Noah well like we watched anime the shadow itself had white maybe even silver eyes so it could represent "those silver eyes" so when those eyes will show the Noah will be born and with this amazing transformation he could shine among everyone (something new never seen before ,like the level4 akuma that was first seen in history)

    the last lines:
    7 hundreds of millions of months/ and years/ no matter how many prayers are returned to the earth...
    8 I shall continue to pray


    could simply mean that even if many people,friends will die or how many ackuma souls will came back to earth Allen should go foward not stoping and keep up fighting

    Well there are 2lines about God giving him joined hands and a kiss - maybe we can say that the Noah (maybe some person) ask god to give this child (Allen) love and blessing maybe even protection

    Im only speculating but it could move this way like I presented ^^ what do you thing about it ^^

    Last edited by Zibi234; May 12, 2008 at 02:12 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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    Re: Musician's Song

    Or it could be about the past. Allen's real birthday is unknown which makes me wonder.

    "Then the boy fell deep asleep" as in Allen's true nature was rendered dormant.
    The next lines could be about the truth behind the Flood.

    "Suspended from earth.." I agree this is definitely the Ark

    "on the night when those silver eyes trembled/you were born/ shining brightly" This could be about Allen's true birth

    "7 hundreds of millions of months/ and years/ no matter how many prayers are returned to the earth...
    "
    8 I shall continue to pray" This i'm guessing is just a description of the time that has passed since then and how they wait for him to awaken again

    This is just my two cents

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    Re: Musician's Song

    3 ...the gasping flames within the ashes/one by one...
    4 ...rise up and expand into that beloved face...

    It made me think about Allen's face here:

    http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/133/01/

    although it might be a bit literal explanation. :P

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    Re: Musician's Song

    I shall just copy and paste what I wrote somewhere else:

    Quote Quote:
    Wow.. I didn't really read much into the song lyrics... But I was also thinking that it was written for Allen because of the "silver eyes"..

    Just a random guess. Maybe Allen was reborn already? You know, that time Tyki Mikk made a hole in his heart, and Allen was supposed to be dead but he lived because of his innocence so that's kind of like being reborn and he did become stronger..

    And I agree with Advoco that the song is probably written by Mana for Allen...
    Sorry, I'm too lazy to edit here.

    Quote Quote:
    (I was talking about Lenalee and Allen's dreams)I think they're on the opposite side of each other... And Lenalee can't see Allen but Allen can see her...

    And yeah... The song could be a prophesy and also a hint of Allen's past??

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    Re: DGM 182 Discussion / 183 Prediction Thread

    on the 14th's song, there's no dead baby or anything there.

    i checked some translations n it's a lullaby, so the baby obviously sleeps...

    *still spazzing over 14th!Allen*

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    Re: DGM 182 Discussion / 183 Prediction Thread

    in short its about someone praying for the return of a person, and that they may join hands *and kiss* that part i think is only in the anime.

    i dont think its the 14ths song at all but its about him. so whos the one praying + wishing

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    Re: DGM 182 Discussion / 183 Prediction Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Mysterious_Kaitou View Post
    on the 14th's song, there's no dead baby or anything there.

    i checked some translations n it's a lullaby, so the baby obviously sleeps...

    *still spazzing over 14th!Allen*
    But the song say "the last breath" who else could it mean other than death?

    We should transfer http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12103
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    Re: DGM 182 Discussion / 183 Prediction Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Asmoden View Post
    But the song say "the last breath" who else could it mean other than death?

    We should transfer http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12103
    And so, the boy fell into a deep sleep.
    The struggling flames lay in the ashes.
    One by one, rising up and swell into that lovely face.
    Thousands of dreams float above the earth.Those dreams.
    On the night when silver eyes trembled,
    you were born in a sparkling light.
    Though hunderds of milions of months and years will pass,
    no matter how many prayers return to the Earth,
    I will continue to pray.
    Please deliver this love.
    Let us join our hands and kiss.

    The text acording to another translation.
    now i dunno wich translation you take but its *about* the death and rebirth of the 14th but its not sang by the 14th himself.

    (we are getting very much off topic tho ) haha

    p.s.

    the revealing of the 14th in the last chapter might have triggerd all this speculation stuff

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    Re: DGM 182 Discussion / 183 Prediction Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ca12nag3 View Post
    And so, the boy fell into a deep sleep.
    The struggling flames lay in the ashes.
    One by one, rising up and swell into that lovely face.
    Thousands of dreams float above the earth.Those dreams.
    On the night when silver eyes trembled,
    you were born in a sparkling light.
    Though hunderds of milions of months and years will pass,
    no matter how many prayers return to the Earth,
    I will continue to pray.
    Please deliver this love.
    Let us join our hands and kiss.

    The text acording to another translation.
    now i dunno wich translation you take but its *about* the death and rebirth of the 14th but its not sang by the 14th himself.

    (we are getting very much off topic tho ) haha

    p.s.

    the revealing of the 14th in the last chapter might have triggerd all this speculation stuff

    Yah
    people are discussing the song
    there actually a thread for this if you'd like to post there
    http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30857
    (I admitt I've been neglecting it... but it there if anyone's interested)

    have a nice Friday

    Moderator message by: riki
    I'm going to move all these posts there then.
    Last edited by riki; April 02, 2009 at 07:07 PM.

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    Re: Musician's Song

    Quote Originally Posted by Darklight0303 View Post
    Or it could be about the past. Allen's real birthday is unknown which makes me wonder.

    "Then the boy fell deep asleep" as in Allen's true nature was rendered dormant.
    as you are saying Allen's true nature is dormant which could be true because i remember them saying that Allen, before he met Mana, was ruder, but when he met Mana he took on a mask of Mana which might have hidden his true nature.

    yes i believe that this song is referring to Allen awakening, but since the 14th most likely wrote it before Allen was born do you think it's more of a prophecy type thing?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVHPsMEeULQ here is the link to the song from the anime and here are what this person translated the lyrics as

    Lyrics.-
    Soushite bouya wa nemuri ni tsuita
    Ikidzuku hai no naka no honou
    Hitotsu~ Futatsu to~
    Ukabu fukurami itoshii yokogao
    Daichi ni taruru ikusen no
    Yume~ Yume~
    Gin no hitomi no yuragu yoru ni
    Umare ochita kagayaku omae
    Ikuoku no toshitsuki ga
    Ikutsu~ Inori wo~ Tsuchi he kaeshitemo
    WATASHI wa inori tsudzukeru
    Dou ka kono ko ni ai wo
    Tsunaida te ni KISU wo

    Soushite bouya wa nemuri ni tsuita
    Ikidzuku hai no naka no honou
    Hitotsu~ Futatsu to~
    Ukabu fukurami itoshii yokogao
    Daichi ni taruru ikusen no
    Yume~ Yume~
    Gin no hitomi no yuragu yoru ni
    Umare ochita kagayaku omae
    Ikuoku no toshitsuki ga
    Ikutsu~ Inori wo~ Tsuchi he kaeshitemo
    WATASHI wa inori tsudzukeru
    Dou ka kono ko ni ai wo
    Tsunaida te ni KISU wo

    WATASHI wa inori tsudzukeru
    Dou ka kono ko ni ai wo
    Tsunaida te ni KISU wo~

    English.-
    So as the boy fell to sleep.
    The fire in the ash engulfs the air. One by one...
    what rise and grow large are my beloved profiles.
    What trickle down to earth are the thousands of dreams...dreams...
    On the night when the silver eyes were trembling what came to born was you, as you shined.
    No matter how many times the ever-passing time return the prayers back down to earth...
    I will never cease to pray.
    Oh please, show this child what love is.
    Please give a kiss to his hands you hold.

    So as the boy fell to sleep.
    The fire in the ash engulfs the air. One by one...
    what rise and grow large are my beloved profiles.
    What trickle down to earth are the thousands of dreams...dreams...
    On the night when the silver eyes were trembling what came to born was you, as you shined.
    No matter how many times the ever-passing time return the prayers back down to earth...
    I will never cease to pray.
    Oh please, show this child what love is.
    Please give a kiss to his hands you hold.

    I will never cease to pray.
    Oh please, show this child what love is.
    Please give a kiss to his hands you hold. (Maybe referring to some Allen knows maybe Mana, showing Allen love for the first time)
    Last edited by ketorin; April 02, 2009 at 10:38 PM.

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    Re: Musician's Song

    A question: The song in the Anime and in the Manga are really partially different???
    Or it just the translation ARE different??

    Btw, i extracted the japanase from the manga:
    (As spoilers to save space )

    Spoiler show


    With them i'll try to understand why that huge differences between translation^^
    Last edited by ying_su; April 03, 2009 at 04:02 AM. Reason: Kanjis and Ofurigana


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