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This is something that's been bugging me for months now.
Isshin being in the Royal Guard would be badass--I have to accede there. But how do we know he had anything to do with it? In the Grand Fisher fight, the main implication was his being a former captain. RG involvement wasn't even hinted at. So where did the idea come from?
it was because he was wearing a captains hiori and yet non of the shinigami including shinji recognised his riatsu.
Starzen - But that's just it. How does that prove anything?
He said he'd given up his Shinigami powers 20 years ago. The Vaizards fled SS 100 years ago. So they wouldn't recognize his spiritual pressure because they'd never met him. Again, it doesn't suggest anything about RG membership.
hitsu and them where in the house and did not recognise him which means that he had already left ss before they joined the gotai 13 and matsumoto joined with gin.
Isshin being in the RG is just one possible theory. We know that he was a captain (or at least of captain-level reiatsu); so, he would have had to be in either Gotei 13, Covert Ops (as commander), Kidou Corps (as captain), or the royal guard.
Isshin more than likely was not in Covert Ops or Kidou Corps (possible but rather improbable), leaving Gotei 13 and the RG. We have been presented several characters from SS from various periods of time (like vizards and others like Rukia, Renji, etc.), and none of them have recognized Isshin. This does not necessarily mean that Isshin was not in Gotei 13, but since RG is an elite, secret group, people tend to support that theory more.
Plus, the RG has yet to be properly introduced, and Isshin being a new, mysterious shinigami kind of fits in rather well with this. Isshin may not be in the RG, but I am one of the people supporting the theory of him being in it, since it seems like the best option.
Last edited by Tsukisama; June 19, 2008 at 03:59 PM.
What we dont know is if isshin is a human that became a shinigami like ichigo, or he is a shinigami like rukia or byakuga.
If isshin is like ichigo then it would somewhat explain why the others dont know him, although it wouldnt explain why the vizards have never felt his presense before or why he has a captain robe.
If Isshin is a true shinigame like byakuga or rukia, then he most likely is extremely old considering he looks about kyoraku's or ukitake's age. Him being that old would explain why apparently very few people know him and having the captain robe.
Tsuki - You're right that they showed characters from several time periods, but we don't know where on the timeline they fit. Given how many captains SS has gone through, it wouldn't surprise if none of them had met him--Urahara and Rose were only Captains for, what, 10 years? And, again, none of them were around while he was in Shinigami form, so they wouldn't have noticed his reiatsu either.
That said, it's hard to argue either way with the chronological deadzones in Bleach's history.
Last edited by gigantor21; June 19, 2008 at 04:04 PM.
As Isshin says he has not been in shinigami form for 20 years, I would assume that he was probably active in SS some time before that (at least up to maybe 30 years ago or so). Thus, if Rukia cannot recognize him, then he must have been a part of something clandestine like perhaps the RG.
Last edited by Tsukisama; June 19, 2008 at 04:11 PM.
for me the only shinigami who might know him is yama jii and the question is how did he meet with urahara.
He was in human form for 20 years, so probably he would get old(We don´t know that yet) so if he aged he was very young for shinigami terms.
If he don´t, he is part of the royal guard, a captain in the 50 year period as already said(i think this is not very likelly to happen) or he was a captain way before Shinji.
And one other thing. He could have another name. Ryukken(dont´know if is the right name) called him Kurosaki and he said that was the first time he called him that.
Just a couple of thoughts.
Tsuki - That's another thing. Royal Guard or not, he must have been in the Gotei 13 at some point. Given how captains have to be promoted to RG, I find it highly unlikely that he just waltzed in and waltzed out with no fanfare. If he really did leave just 20 years ago, then SOMEONE in the group sent to Earth should've heard about it and recognized him. After all, they knew plenty about Urahara, and he left 100 years ago.
I'm not saying it's impossible. It's just that Kubo hasn't made any effort to set things up--so it's just "possible". Isshin being in the Royal Guard doesn't sound "plausible" or "likely" to me.
As far as a pseudonym goes, I don't see why not--but I don't get why Urahara, Tessai and Yoruichi didn't use any, either. And Isshin saw Ryuuken calling him "Kurosaki" very affectionate--for all we know, given Ryuuken's personality, he might have just called him "shinigami".
Just a thought.
Last edited by gigantor21; June 19, 2008 at 04:57 PM.
If the gaiden's taught us anything, it's that SS has seemingly always gone through a lot of captains(like Gigantor said). There's a good chance no one knew him. Also, even though everyone in the current generation/ranks of the Gotei 13 know each other, this might not have always been the case. Maybe he was a captain for a week?
Last edited by Quartz-pebble; June 19, 2008 at 05:05 PM.
for a week thats a record, the thing is if he was a captain than somebody must know him no matter how long he was a captain after all captains hold captains meetings.