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View Poll Results: Is Isshin Kurosaki the former Captain of 10th Squad?

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Thread: In which squad do you think Isshin was captain?

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    Confused In which squad do you think Isshin was captain?

    This is something that's been bugging me for months now.

    Isshin being in the Royal Guard would be badass--I have to accede there. But how do we know he had anything to do with it? In the Grand Fisher fight, the main implication was his being a former captain. RG involvement wasn't even hinted at. So where did the idea come from?

    Please, discuss.

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    Re: Where Did The Idea of Isshin Being Royal Guard Come From?

    Quote Originally Posted by gigantor21 View Post
    This is something that's been bugging me for months now.

    Isshin being in the Royal Guard would be badass--I have to accede there. But how do we know he had anything to do with it? In the Grand Fisher fight, the main implication was his being a former captain. RG involvement wasn't even hinted at. So where did the idea come from?

    Please, discuss.
    Crazy fan fantasies, imo. Theorizing is perfectly fine, but there's a fine line between plausible and downright ridiculous. "I think Chad has hollow powers" is fine compared to "Issin is teh king!" or "Kenpatchi is stronger two-handed".
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    Re: Where Did The Idea of Isshin Being Royal Guard Come From?

    it was because he was wearing a captains hiori and yet non of the shinigami including shinji recognised his riatsu.

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    Re: Where Did The Idea of Isshin Being Royal Guard Come From?

    Quote Originally Posted by Starzen View Post
    it was because he was wearing a captains hiori and yet non of the shinigami including shinji recognised his riatsu.
    Any number of Urahara inventions could do that. Or maybe he was surpressing his reiatsu.
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    Re: Where Did The Idea of Isshin Being Royal Guard Come From?

    Starzen - But that's just it. How does that prove anything?

    He said he'd given up his Shinigami powers 20 years ago. The Vaizards fled SS 100 years ago. So they wouldn't recognize his spiritual pressure because they'd never met him. Again, it doesn't suggest anything about RG membership.

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    Re: Where Did The Idea of Isshin Being Royal Guard Come From?

    hitsu and them where in the house and did not recognise him which means that he had already left ss before they joined the gotai 13 and matsumoto joined with gin.

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    Re: Where Did The Idea of Isshin Being Royal Guard Come From?

    Isshin being in the RG is just one possible theory. We know that he was a captain (or at least of captain-level reiatsu); so, he would have had to be in either Gotei 13, Covert Ops (as commander), Kidou Corps (as captain), or the royal guard.

    Isshin more than likely was not in Covert Ops or Kidou Corps (possible but rather improbable), leaving Gotei 13 and the RG. We have been presented several characters from SS from various periods of time (like vizards and others like Rukia, Renji, etc.), and none of them have recognized Isshin. This does not necessarily mean that Isshin was not in Gotei 13, but since RG is an elite, secret group, people tend to support that theory more.

    Plus, the RG has yet to be properly introduced, and Isshin being a new, mysterious shinigami kind of fits in rather well with this. Isshin may not be in the RG, but I am one of the people supporting the theory of him being in it, since it seems like the best option.
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    Re: Where Did The Idea of Isshin Being Royal Guard Come From?

    What we dont know is if isshin is a human that became a shinigami like ichigo, or he is a shinigami like rukia or byakuga.
    If isshin is like ichigo then it would somewhat explain why the others dont know him, although it wouldnt explain why the vizards have never felt his presense before or why he has a captain robe.
    If Isshin is a true shinigame like byakuga or rukia, then he most likely is extremely old considering he looks about kyoraku's or ukitake's age. Him being that old would explain why apparently very few people know him and having the captain robe.

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    Re: Where Did The Idea of Isshin Being Royal Guard Come From?

    Quote Originally Posted by Starzen View Post
    hitsu and them where in the house and did not recognise him which means that he had already left ss before they joined the gotai 13 and matsumoto joined with gin.
    But Matsumoto and them came AFTER he fought Grand Fisher--and left after he took it again while talking to Ryuuken. He didn't take Shinigami form once while they were staying with Orihime. We still don't know whether they knew of him or not.

    Tsuki - You're right that they showed characters from several time periods, but we don't know where on the timeline they fit. Given how many captains SS has gone through, it wouldn't surprise if none of them had met him--Urahara and Rose were only Captains for, what, 10 years? And, again, none of them were around while he was in Shinigami form, so they wouldn't have noticed his reiatsu either.

    That said, it's hard to argue either way with the chronological deadzones in Bleach's history.
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    Re: Where Did The Idea of Isshin Being Royal Guard Come From?

    Quote Originally Posted by kkck View Post
    If Isshin is a true shinigame like byakuga or rukia, then he most likely is extremely old considering he looks about kyoraku's or ukitake's age. Him being that old would explain why apparently very few people know him and having the captain robe.
    If he is that old, then he would have to have been in the RG, because people should recognize him if he was a Gotei 13 captain.

    Quote Originally Posted by gigantor21 View Post
    Tsuki - You're right that they showed characters from several time periods, but we don't know where on the timeline they fit. Given how many captains SS has gone through, it wouldn't surprise if none of them had met him--Urahara and Rose were only Captains for, what, 10 years? And, again, none of them were around while he was in Shinigami form, so they wouldn't have noticed his reiatsu either.

    That said, it's hard to argue either way with the chronological deadzones in Bleach's history.
    True, the Bleach timeline has many gaps, but the characters that we've seen narrow this gap considerably. Shinji was a captain 110+ years ago and left 100 years ago. Rukia was in the shinigami academy at least 50 years ago (if anyone really needs a better time for this, I can go check the manga). So, we have a window of about 50 years between the two plus the possiblity of him being in SS before Shinji's time in SS, making Isshin either very old or fitting into the at mystery gap somewhere.

    As Isshin says he has not been in shinigami form for 20 years, I would assume that he was probably active in SS some time before that (at least up to maybe 30 years ago or so). Thus, if Rukia cannot recognize him, then he must have been a part of something clandestine like perhaps the RG.
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    Re: Where Did The Idea of Isshin Being Royal Guard Come From?

    for me the only shinigami who might know him is yama jii and the question is how did he meet with urahara.

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    Re: Where Did The Idea of Isshin Being Royal Guard Come From?

    Quote Originally Posted by Starzen View Post
    for me the only shinigami who might know him is yama jii and the question is how did he meet with urahara.
    That is the real question.

    He was in human form for 20 years, so probably he would get old(We don´t know that yet) so if he aged he was very young for shinigami terms.

    If he don´t, he is part of the royal guard, a captain in the 50 year period as already said(i think this is not very likelly to happen) or he was a captain way before Shinji.

    And one other thing. He could have another name. Ryukken(dont´know if is the right name) called him Kurosaki and he said that was the first time he called him that.

    Just a couple of thoughts.

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    Re: Where Did The Idea of Isshin Being Royal Guard Come From?

    Tsuki - That's another thing. Royal Guard or not, he must have been in the Gotei 13 at some point. Given how captains have to be promoted to RG, I find it highly unlikely that he just waltzed in and waltzed out with no fanfare. If he really did leave just 20 years ago, then SOMEONE in the group sent to Earth should've heard about it and recognized him. After all, they knew plenty about Urahara, and he left 100 years ago.

    I'm not saying it's impossible. It's just that Kubo hasn't made any effort to set things up--so it's just "possible". Isshin being in the Royal Guard doesn't sound "plausible" or "likely" to me.

    As far as a pseudonym goes, I don't see why not--but I don't get why Urahara, Tessai and Yoruichi didn't use any, either. And Isshin saw Ryuuken calling him "Kurosaki" very affectionate--for all we know, given Ryuuken's personality, he might have just called him "shinigami".

    Just a thought.
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    Re: Where Did The Idea of Isshin Being Royal Guard Come From?

    Quote Originally Posted by Starzen View Post
    for me the only shinigami who might know him is yama jii and the question is how did he meet with urahara.
    Probably the same way as Rukia: He came to stay in the human world and Urahara offered him a special gigai. Urahara's a pretty friendly guy. Just because you know him doesn't mean you're in some kinda secret cabal or anything. He runs a candy store for god's sake. :P

    If the gaiden's taught us anything, it's that SS has seemingly always gone through a lot of captains(like Gigantor said). There's a good chance no one knew him. Also, even though everyone in the current generation/ranks of the Gotei 13 know each other, this might not have always been the case. Maybe he was a captain for a week?
    Last edited by Quartz-pebble; June 19, 2008 at 05:05 PM.
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    Re: Where Did The Idea of Isshin Being Royal Guard Come From?

    for a week thats a record, the thing is if he was a captain than somebody must know him no matter how long he was a captain after all captains hold captains meetings.

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