Uchiha Sasuke: An Analysis on his Arsenal of Jutsus

[kkck]

I don't think SHaringan can copy the technique itself, but the seals used. Like, it can't copy rasengan, but it can copy something like Edo Tensei.
Sasuke is seriously overhated, he's powerful because he's a genius. But he still works hard for his power, even if it's not as hard as Naruto. It took Sasuke longer to learn elemental recomposition than it did Naruto, and Sasuke still lost to Gaara where Naruto beat him.

It would depend on what you call copying a jutsu.

I have been reading a lot of post on the subject and it seems there are two different beliefs about the sharingan copying properties. One is that sharingan magically copies a jutsu the moment it is used and the sharingan user can use it in the spot.

Then there is the idea that sharingan can copy jutsu under certain circumstances given the user has the skill required.

I do not belief the first one occurs at all. it would be really weird and senseless. I do think the second one is the correct one though.

Sharingan has this abilities:

-The ability to see more clearly with considerable more detail. This was shown when sasuke first awakened his sharingan.

-The ability to predict the movements. This was seen mainly at vote. Sasuke was shown to effectively predict naruto's movements a few steps ahead of naruto himself.

-The ability to see chakra. This has been stated quite a few times.


Now, given those three things it would be logical that a sharingan user could copy a technique.

-The sharingan would allow an user to perfectly see the seals being used by an enemy. This would instantly reveal the kind of jutsu and it's nature.

-The sharingan would allow the user to see a few seals ahead of what the enemy is currently doing.

-Sharingan would allow the user to she exactly how the chakra is molded by the enemy.

In other words, the sharingan allows people to see and analyze the enemies ninjutsu to every degree. The sharingan is perfectly capable of analyzing every element of a ninjutsu perfectly(unless that we disagree in that a ninjutsu is made by chakra manipulation and seals). Of course for someone to actually copy a ninjutsu in the middle of a battle, less than extreme skills and talent would be insufficient unless of course the ninjutsu in question is extremely simple.

Given the sharingans ability to seen chakra, it is also plausible it can copy jutsu in which hand seals have been skipped. All the user would have to do is try to replicate the form the enemies chakra took for an attack. There probably would be an element of guessing in this part since the lack of seals would not show how the enemy got to the actual ninjutsu though. Of course, for this to work sharingan would require to see the enemies chakra with a minimum degree of detail and it is plausible that sharingan does not have it(we really cannot confirm or deny that though, we need more facts...).

[benelori]

Yep...agree with the second part...a good example from the manga is when kakashi says he barely managed to copy the rasengan...so there's no magic copying involved...I think though a sharingan can keep in mind the seals which were done, the control which was needed to do an elemental jutsu for example...but if that sharingan user cannot display affinity towards that element, than the jutsu is just a memory...so the skill IS needed to perform the jutsu copied

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

Yep...agree with the second part...a good example from the manga is when kakashi says he barely managed to copy the rasengan...so there's no magic copying involved...I think though a sharingan can keep in mind the seals which were done, the control which was needed to do an elemental jutsu for example...but if that sharingan user cannot display affinity towards that element, than the jutsu is just a memory...so the skill IS needed to perform the jutsu copied

Kakashi never said that. Kakashi learned the Rasengan before he acquired the Sharingan.

Kishi hasn't done a good job explaining the Sharingan copying ability. Basically as its stand, the Sharingan copy whatever Kishi want it to, there is no preset rule for it.

[kkck]

The only thing that confuses me is that some people say sharingan copies jutsu while others say sharingan copies seals. What in the world is the difference lol?

And true, kakashi did learn rasengan before getting the sharingan.
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Wonder if sasuke will learn raikages technique. He probably does not have the stamina for it at the moment but I would think he could at least manage a lesser version of it. If sasuke gets such a technique in combination with his sharingan, he would become absurdly strong. Having his reaction speed at that level would allow him to react to the enemies attacks and movements as fast as the sharingan sees and predicts them. IMHO even if sasuke's natural speed is inferior to raikages natural speed, if he gets that technique he would truly be able to easily keep up with him. Not even the lightning armor would help the raikage that much lol.

Learning that technique would truly allow sasuke to use the sharingan at a full 100% given that he basically would react to anything at the same speed his eyes do. IMHO this would be the perfect counter for naruto's HM. Considering sasuke has the proper affinity and got a first row seat to see the power of the technique with his sharingan, it is very possible he will consider learning it.

[jdw]

The only thing that confuses me is that some people say sharingan copies jutsu while others say sharingan copies seals. What in the world is the difference lol?

1. If sharingan copies seals to learn ninjutsu, then someone with a sharingan can copy the seals of shiki fuuin (death god seal) and add it to their repertoire. If the person does not see the seals, the person cannot copy the ninjutsu with sharingan. The person would not be able to use sharingan to copy ninjutsu that do not require seals.
2. If a sharingan does not copy seals but copies ninjutsu directly, then the sharingan can copy a ninjutsu without seeing the seals. So just seeing the jutsu itself if enough to copy it with sharingan. The person would be able to copy shiki fuuin with sharingan just from seeing it executed. With sharingan, the person would also be able to copy ninjutsu that do not require seals at all.

[SilentBob777]

It was mentioned byt itachi and madara, but it's wrong...sasuke proved that, I won't say kakashi,too,cuz he's not uchiha, but if U like U can consider him, too


http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/385/05/

Last panel...
Itachi's lack of knowledge, or misbeliefs are a result of madara being manipulative...

To get Mangekyou Sharingan someone close to you has to die. Itachi knew this, he sacrificed himself so Sasuke can get MS, Kishi stated this in the databook.

Result of Madara being manipulative is Sasuke's mental state when he learned the truth..or he just might be naturally easily manipulated like Nagato was.

[Franckie]

The only thing that confuses me is that some people say sharingan copies jutsu while others say sharingan copies seals. What in the world is the difference lol?

The Sharingan will record ALL aspects of a jutsu (chakra, handseals, etc.) it witnesses. It's impossible though for the Sharingan to actually copy something if it's beyond the user's physical capabilities. For example, Itachi cannot copy Kakashi's Suiton: Suijinheki because Itachi lacks the physical capability to utilize a suiton jutsu without a water source.

[beasticon999]

Wonderful you are right.Sasuke is definitely a Chunin level due to his battle sense and leadership skills.Concerning his battle with Itachi,he was spared but i believe that itachi could only defeat sasuke because he possessed the MS and i believe he has surpassed itachi if not, he is close.Note:when sasuke used the flames of Amaterasu at first against killer bee being able to surpressed the flames achieved levels itachi couldn't and this is further amplified in his battle with the raikage as he was able to manipulate the flames.His use of Tsukoyomi is not as good as Itachi's i agree but his use of susanoo is great for someone who just activated it.Sasuke use of the sharingan is equal to Itachi's and sasuke's creativity in ninjustu is greater than itachi's as he perferted the chidori using it for all ranges attack and his use of the fire release is greater than itachi's.Sasuke is a powerful shinobi with the potential to surpass itachi and match any opponent in short,mid and long range battle.He is the only uchiha with power similar to that of even Madara as stated by the kyuubi.All hail the uchiha's true strength Uchiha Sasuke.

[jdw]

Note:when sasuke used the flames of Amaterasu at first against killer bee being able to surpressed the flames achieved levels itachi couldn't and this is further amplified in his battle with the raikage as he was able to manipulate the flames.

Sasuke's manipulation of the black flames surpassed anything we saw Itachi do, but as for "supressing" the flames, Itachi was able to do so as well: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/390/07/

[juUnior]

It's impossible though for the Sharingan to actually copy something if it's beyond the user's physical capabilities. For example, Itachi cannot copy Kakashi's Suiton: Suijinheki because Itachi lacks the physical capability to utilize a suiton jutsu without a water source.

So it's that way; I thought that Sharingan can copy anything, but it depends on the physical body of that Sharingan user to actually perform or not perform the copied jutsu.

[kkck]

The Sharingan will record ALL aspects of a jutsu (chakra, handseals, etc.) it witnesses. It's impossible though for the Sharingan to actually copy something if it's beyond the user's physical capabilities. For example, Itachi cannot copy Kakashi's Suiton: Suijinheki because Itachi lacks the physical capability to utilize a suiton jutsu without a water source.

My point about that was this:

A ninjutsu is made by manipulating chakra.
Chakra can be manipulated with or without seals
Inputting a certain amount of chakra and manipulating (with or without seals) will result in an specific jutsu.

Now, the sharingan copies jutsu by observing and memorizing the seals and chakra manipulation of the jutsu. In other words it is a methodical process.

Now, we have people saying "sharingan copies jutsu" and others saying "sharingan copying seals". Given the logic mentioned above, this two comments are not actually different. The only way for either of them to be different is that people suggest sharingan can see a ninjutsu and magically reproduce it for no apparently reason(this would be what people claiming "sharingan copies ninjutsu" say). On the other hand those who claim "sharingan copies seals" would suggest that just seeing a series of seals is enough to copy ninjutsu which is by no mean correct. I doubt seeing seals would produce a ninjutsu if you do not know the nesesary input of chakra or where you are trying to get to.

[Eddy01741]

If I recall correctly, during part 2.5 of the chunin exams, during Lee's fight, once he took off his weights, Kakashi used his sharingan to copy his speed and movement. Later, in part 3 of the chunin exam, Sasuke copies said speed from Kakashi (or so it is implied).

I'm pretty sure that it's copying jutsu entirely, not just handseals. But also like Franckie pointed out, if the jutsu is unable to be used by the sharingan copier (not skilled enough in said element or something along those lines), then it will likely not work or be a much weakened version of the jutsu. So for example, let's say Konohamaru got the sharingan and witnessed Kirin, I doubt Konohamaru would be able to use Kirin just because he saw it.

[SharkJAW]

If I recall correctly, during part 2.5 of the chunin exams, during Lee's fight, once he took off his weights, Kakashi used his sharingan to copy his speed and movement. Later, in part 3 of the chunin exam, Sasuke copies said speed from Kakashi (or so it is implied).

I'm pretty sure that it's copying jutsu entirely, not just handseals. But also like Franckie pointed out, if the jutsu is unable to be used by the sharingan copier (not skilled enough in said element or something along those lines), then it will likely not work or be a much weakened version of the jutsu. So for example, let's say Konohamaru got the sharingan and witnessed Kirin, I doubt Konohamaru would be able to use Kirin just because he saw it.

Exactly. As we all know, Sasuke has seen the Rasengan, but that doesn't necessarily mean he can perform it. It would still erquire practice, but he knows how he is supposed to manipulate the chakra.

[Forever_Melody]

Why are we on such a topic anyways? Zabuza already explained how the Sharingan works in regards to copying jutsus. The most basic explanation is that the Sharingan is an expert at observing details(link)

The Sharingan can see a multitude of things:
1- it notices minuscule movements such as handseals(link) and can recognize and memorize muscular sequences and patterns
2- it sees chakra(link) as well as attribute color to chakra(link)
3- it can see chakra flow(link)

Now ability 1 is the basis for the ability to predict movements(speaks for itself I believe). In a same way, in conjunction with abilities 2 and 3, the ability to copy jutsus is reached.

In fact, as Zabuza stated, it's not so much an ability as it is a sequence of actions & abilities which mesh together to form the action of copying .

When an enemy uses a jutsu, the Sharingan will dissect, decode and analyze the event. It will notice movements such as hand seals, changes or shifts in chakra nature as well as directional flows of chakra.

Now, using this information, the Sharingan user has all the theoretical information needed to actually understand the basics and use said jutsu. Now, as others have pointed out, the Sharingan user must be adept enough to use the jutsu the Sharingan read.

If however the Sharingan user meets all requirements(such as skill level, elemental affinity, proper chakra control etc.), then he/she can use the jutsu and effectively "copy" it.

In Kakashi's case, he takes it a step further and goes into mind games. As Zabuza explained, he copies a jutsu and instills doubt within his opponent. Then, he continues copying, but actually uses the Sharingan's ability to predict movement so he can keep up with a hand seal sequence as it is being done(rather than doing it after). Finally, Kakashi uses a genjutsu to signal the opponent into what jutsu he wishes them to use and uses it before them, making the opponent believe that he "saw the future".

Kakashi's copying trick is actually a very well thought and elaborate set of mind tricks in conjunction with the Sharingan's abilities

But really, this is more pertaining to the Sharingan itself than Sasuke.

[SharkJAW]

Why are we on such a topic anyways? Zabuza already explained how the Sharingan works in regards to copying jutsus. The most basic explanation is that the Sharingan is an expert at observing details(link)

The Sharingan can see a multitude of things:
1- it notices minuscule movements such as handseals(link) and can recognize and memorize muscular sequences and patterns
2- it sees chakra(link) as well as attribute color to chakra(link)
3- it can see chakra flow(link)

Now ability 1 is the basis for the ability to predict movements(speaks for itself I believe). In a same way, in conjunction with abilities 2 and 3, the ability to copy jutsus is reached.

In fact, as Zabuza stated, it's not so much an ability as it is a sequence of actions & abilities which mesh together to form the action of copying .

When an enemy uses a jutsu, the Sharingan will dissect, decode and analyze the event. It will notice movements such as hand seals, changes or shifts in chakra nature as well as directional flows of chakra.

Now, using this information, the Sharingan user has all the theoretical information needed to actually understand the basics and use said jutsu. Now, as others have pointed out, the Sharingan user must be adept enough to use the jutsu the Sharingan read.

If however the Sharingan user meets all requirements(such as skill level, elemental affinity, proper chakra control etc.), then he/she can use the jutsu and effectively "copy" it.

In Kakashi's case, he takes it a step further and goes into mind games. As Zabuza explained, he copies a jutsu and instills doubt within his opponent. Then, he continues copying, but actually uses the Sharingan's ability to predict movement so he can keep up with a hand seal sequence as it is being done(rather than doing it after). Finally, Kakashi uses a genjutsu to signal the opponent into what jutsu he wishes them to use and uses it before them, making the opponent believe that he "saw the future".

Kakashi's copying trick is actually a very well thought and elaborate set of mind tricks in conjunction with the Sharingan's abilities

But really, this is more pertaining to the Sharingan itself than Sasuke.

Yes, Kakashi is quite the genius. I only wish someone else did something similar. Kakashi isn't even an Uchiha, yet he is very adept with his Sharingan. If anyone else would have gone around a method like that, it would have been Itachi, but Itachi's genjutsu abilities are so great, he could probably do a jutsu and make you think he hadn't moved at all. I just love that Itachi used only his finger for genjutsu, that definitely shows his skill level. lol Sorry for being off-topic, don't want to hijack the thread.