Only Mantra is Haki
Only Rokugan is Haki
They are both Haki
They are both NOT haki
Well, could be that Luffy reaches a new level on Conqueror, but as far as we know it doesn't have those characteristics.
I didnt read through all the comments because there's way too many pages but-
Haki has took on different names in the manga before the whole concept of it was revealed by Rayleigh. I believe it was called "vigour and drive" and "willpower" but also different names for the 3 branches of haki. So if you consider the naming Oda gave, haki seems to give a upper hand in a battle to the person will the most will to go forward, most to lose and fighting capability. It also can counteract a logia user because they can normally not be hit with a normal attack but rather the attack muse be imbued with haki. How you do that? I don't know. So that muse mean that anybody that can block the hit of a logia attack or cause any pain towards a logia has haki even if they are inadvertingly doing it.
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I'm sorry if this is not the place to post this,,, why didn't WB use hake at the beginning of the war, he would have taken a lot of marines, and we also know that ace can use the king haki, why didn't he use it ? does the kairosoky shut down haki ??
i think the chapter 634 mention 100k pirates is roughly a figure and thus so defeating 50k of them would also be a figure.....there was a panel where it shows almost all the pirates but mostly are being displayed as dot. it seems robin are not really used to haki as she says..."this is haki" or smtg like tat..like she nvr experienced it before...or could be the reason she said that is she have no COC. =)
I hope that all strong guys (and ladies) in the new world are not Haki users. If Haki is the only way in order to be strong, then I would be disappointed.
Now, first of all I don't think haki will automatically win every match, far from that. Even the facing any situation is a bit of a stretch although it is worth saying they kinda trained for 2 years for just that. Haki is something that comes with time and experience, I don't think the strawhats will only rarely face other haki users. To be completely honest I expect any enemy the strawhats have with a certain degree of strength to be a haki user at some level.
Plus I don't think it would be a clever idea to do such thing. Like you said, at the moment it is up to us to guess if a character used haki or not. Making haki visible by using a color would clearly limit this liberty that Oda has. He would need for each character to decide if the attack is haki one or not, if he has mastered haki or not. Imagine the war with such a rule, that would have been a nightmare for him.
Actually I don't remember seeing Sanji rotating when using Diable jambe except for the first time it was used...Quote:
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In a way it is similar to BB obtaining a second fruit. While the manga hinted such thing to be impossible, Oda never confirmed it for real. With BB eating another fruit, he broke that pseudo rule.
Personally I think it is much easier to colour a body part/weapon black, than having a character always confirming haki by words. It also saves at least one speech bubble/panel.
CoA Gomu² no Kane, only his face turned black, but not his whole head. Basically the manga confirms that not a whole body part needs to turn black. In Pekom's particular punch, the front side of his fist can not be seen.
This is why I said the scene was too fast. Oda did not invest any zoomed panels in Pekoms punch. He just left them out. Unlike for several detailed CoA attacks of Luffy. And I believe Vergo as well (panel 2-4).
Anyway I'm most likely reading too much into it, I admit that. But I'm just trying to combine Sanji's fire movement to haki. Since I'm no fan of elemental attacks, if they are not given by technology or devil fruit. But like said, I'm not rly confident in this. Oda explained haki for us. There shouldn't be any more hidden techniques related to haki. Therefore, I don't expect any connection to Sanji's move.
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Is that really important to know for every attacks if haki has been used or not ? I prefer than Oda use his time for thungs that really matters.Quote:
And by nightmare, i wasn't talking about illustration issue but rather the need to decide for the hundredth of characters their haki level which was pointless and only the source of endless discussion
I really do think an additional feature is needed. Be it "sfx" or "colouring", something is necessary. At the moment haki is nothing but a invisible force. While CoC has a clear visual characterization, CoA and CoO do not have one. I don't think CoO needs any, but CoA definitely does.
Furthermore I don't want to always read character lines confirming haki. I mean after the first saga in the NW, I expect haki to be all day normal issue. Therefore at some point those lines will still portray haki as a new thing. Which would just seem inconsistent.
For me the discussions are one of the reasons I want a visual confirmation. With illustrated CoA, we will avoid "does he have haki?" topics. Basically we will save time and annoying haki posts.
Anywy, I don't rly see any further need to discuss this. I believe we both have said what we wanted. At least I don't have anything to add anymore xD Further posts will just lead us to repeat our arguments. We will have to wait until Oda reveals Vergo's abilities. Then we will have our answer.
If you consider that haki in the second part is a given, then there is even less need for it to be shown.
Well, I would argue that as we learn more about haki we will be further able to tell when it is being used based on the circumstances. Against luffy the whole thing is actually easy. Haki would make punches and attacks work better against luffy. As soon as he gets hit we should know what exactly is going on. To a great degree anyone actually capable of going one on one in a fight against the monster trio will almost certainly be a haki user for that matter. Of course, it is not hard to include a line or two on the matter in the manga.
I didn't mean to say that everyone will be able to use haki. I just expect those around the monster trio level, and above. But most importently, I don't want the deeper parts of the NW to consider haki a new and rare force.
The manga illustrates various abilities in each individual trait. For instance, even if Luffy's attacks were not called by any lines, due to their unique visual traits, we could always tell what skill is used. G2 has smoke, G3 has giant body parts and haki has black colouring. If none of these traits are used, the attacks are just basics gum² no (G1).
In all honesty, if the author didn't wanted to let us know when which skill is used, he would had illustrated every skill the same way. So understanding this, why would it be out of the ordinary to colour all CoA attacks black? Please understand. I'm not arguing nor tying anything funny here. I'm just trying to understand the reasons you have.
Well this isn't just about the fights in which Luffy is involved. Sanji Zoro and the guys they are fighting against. But not only the SHs, but also other character, like for instance the various figures at the past marineford war.
Furthermore starting a certain point, lines dedicated to haki usage shouldn't be mentioned anymore. Otherwise they would still hype the haki business. I mean if even in the deeper parts of the GL, haki is considered a unique force, what was the point in hyping the NW so far?