Hachibi (8 tails) vs. Jiraiya... The winner?

[GOKURO-3君]

There is little information, but it'll be interesting. Remember, the 8 tails was able to go passed Sasuke's (formerly praised as his almighty) Sharingan; which, was able to break Itachi's Tsukuyomi. 8 tails can also manipulate his Bijyuu's chakra.

Who will win?

[Csdabest]

lol. I knew this threads were going to come up soon. But i expected 8-tails vs Itachi to come up first hahaha.

[ninjabot]

Yeah...Eighty didn't beat the sharingan, because the sharingan didn't do anything. He simply moved eratically enough to throw Sasuke off. Likewise, he was prolly immune to visual Genjutsu thanks to his shades, so that explains why Sasuke was hit point-blank. He thought a Genjutsu would work, so he didn't attempt to dodge until it was too late.

But yeah, we don't know what other jutsu Eighty has in store...but I still see him winning. I mean, Jiraiya was pwned by 4 tail Naruto. What would happen if Eighty went 8 tails right off the bat? Add that to his experience and I don't see Hermit mode doing anything. I'll wait till we know more, but I'm definitely leaning toward the powerhouse.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

wow no one is even given Mr. 8tail a chance in the poll.
To speak the truth i think 8tail should win but given the fact that Kishi most likely is going to downgrade 8tail so Sasuke can win, i will say the match is a toss up.

[Shaunlim]

Yeah...Eighty didn't beat the sharingan, because the sharingan didn't do anything. He simply moved eratically enough to throw Sasuke off. Likewise, he was prolly immune to visual Genjutsu thanks to his shades, so that explains why Sasuke was hit point-blank. He thought a Genjutsu would work, so he didn't attempt to dodge until it was too late.

If you can't beat the Sharingan doesn't mean you are weaker than the individual using it. Not to mention that his movement was just one of the many methods to overcome the Sharingan. If shades were to make you immune to Sharingan then every single one in the ninja war would have wore them and be immune to doujutsu. Heck even Chiyo would have mentioned that as a way to overcome the Sharingan. The only reason he was hit point-blank was because he was overconfident that his chidori charged sword would have pwned the 8-tails or he just wasn't fast enough to avoid it.

[ninjabot]

When did I say anything about...nevermind.

Sigh.

Because the chapter wasn't out yet, I made assumptions on why the Sharingan might not have helped as much as it should. The shades were a guess because Sasuke's Genjutsu are all administered optically, and just like everyone else I expected Sasuke to start the fight with Genjutsu.

I never once...not once implied that Hachibi was weaker than Sasuke's Sharingan. I simply said that (and this is funny, because I said the exact same thing in the Oro vs. Sasuke thread) he hasn't beat the Sharingan yet.

[Eddy01741]

Why do you need to beat it when you have a simple way around it? What is your definition of "beating the sharingan". Zabuza found his way around the sharngan by making mist so thick that it was zero visibility, but he underestimated Kakashi's other abilities. Hachibi found his own way around sharingan by moving so erratically and quickly that it couldn't be predicted.

That sounds enough like defeating the sharingan. Unless your definition of defeating the sharingan is like poking out his eyes or reversing anything the sharingan can do.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

Yeah...Eighty didn't beat the sharingan, because the sharingan didn't do anything. He simply moved eratically enough to throw Sasuke off. Likewise, he was prolly immune to visual Genjutsu thanks to his shades, so that explains why Sasuke was hit point-blank. He thought a Genjutsu would work, so he didn't attempt to dodge until it was too late.

But yeah, we don't know what other jutsu Eighty has in store...but I still see him winning. I mean, Jiraiya was pwned by 4 tail Naruto. What would happen if Eighty went 8 tails right off the bat? Add that to his experience and I don't see Hermit mode doing anything. I'll wait till we know more, but I'm definitely leaning toward the powerhouse.

First of all i think i should first ask you this question, do you know how the sharingan works? From what you posted i will have to say no.

This is how the sharingan work, once a sharingan user turn on their Sharingan that means they are using the sharingan power. Once they turn it on that means they are using it to predict/analyze the opponent movement. You don't have to use a Sharingan jutsu to use the sharingan power. Which means if someone beat a Sharingan user(with it on) they have beaten the sharingan.

Also Jiraiya was pwned by 4 tail Naruto because he wasn't trying to hurt Naruto. But logically i think the 8tail should defeat Jiraiya. But like i said before i'm expecting Kishi to downgrade the 8tail so Sasuke can win, so i will say this fight is a toss up.

[Forever_Melody]

If all it took to defeat Sharingan genjutsu(and therefore Tsukiyomi and such) were shades, then I'd LOL oh so very much

Anyways, ninjabot does make a point. The first hit Hachibichi got(on Sasuke's cheek) was out of pure outmaneuvering. Sasuke didn't activate his Sharingan until the last second of that blow(meaning he wouldn't have had time to do anything anyways). The true prowess is that after that(when Sasuke did have Sharingan activated), he was still able to land a hit(and a critical one at that). So yeah, Sharingan's predictive powers aren't an absolute defense against taijutsu.

But back to topic, I say it'd be hard to really determine at this point. Form what we've seen, Hachibichi is a close range fighter with jutsus to supplement his blade skills while Jiraiya can also go long range. With what we've seen I'd say Jiraiya can pull it off if he's smart(I'll hold my judgment till we see more of Hachibichi or his Bijyuu form).

[ninjabot]

Well, it seems I've got no reason to reply since Forever_Melody keeps beating me to the punch at saying exactly what I planned on saying...

I will say this though: If Sasuke activates MS in the next few chapters and defeats Hachibi, that doesn't mean Hachibi was downgraded. It means his brute strength or speed wasn't enough to overwhelm the Mangekyou Sharingan.

And those might really be special anti-Genjutsu shades. We've got chakra eating swords, nature energy nullifying clubs, and oil that turns you into a frog. Lame as it would be, it's totally possible.

[En Yang Ji]

Jiraiya would definitely lose. Jiraiya probaly couldn't beat him in his 4-tail state. Jiraiya most likely couldn't cause damage to him or even evade his attacks.

[kimitachi]

Jiraiya would definitely lose. Jiraiya probaly couldn't beat him in his 4-tail state. Jiraiya most likely couldn't cause damage to him or even evade his attacks.

you're wrong

jiraiya never fight seriously 4 tails
he was hurt most likely because he was suprise that naruto wasn't abble to control it

but he never wanted to fight hi seriously
and he never used hermit mod against him
how i know ? ma and pa never heard about naruto

so jiraiya manage to beat 4 tails , while he was hurt

in a serious fight he would have killed him

and i'm sure he is much stronger than hachibi

[Raizen]

4-tails was a monster of mass destruction. U can't even touch it w/o being badly burned. And J-man definitely did not fight the 4-tails w/ the intent to kill for obvious reasons. He just wanted to use the seal.

I say a match between the 2 of them would be excellent. Hachibi in normal form seems close to J-man's strength. When he turns to 8-tails, who knows?

[DarkManSharingan32]

wow no one is even given Mr. 8tail a chance in the poll.
To speak the truth i think 8tail should win but given the fact that Kishi most likely is going to downgrade 8tail so Sasuke can win, i will say the match is a toss up.

Now you see why Minato and Jiraiya win every poll...
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People forget that Jiraiya was nearly killed by a blow from the 4 TAILED Naruto...

And that Summons have nearly no effect against Youma...

And that Hachibi's Chakra Shroud is nearly impregnable.
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And given the fact that Sasuke's Sharingan is probably what will put him "ahead"/ "impress" Hachibi... Jiraiya doesn't have the same ability.

You can make the case that Jiraiya's Frog Song is made null by Hachibi's adept method for breaking genjutsu...

What is Jiraiya gonna do?
Bash him with a Huge Rasengan?

Please Spare me... Hachibi is too smart and fast for that.

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[Quetz]

Jiraiya would likely give everything he's got to neutralize the 8 tailed form, and then fall just short of winning the fight. He's a sannin, he's probably got something of an arsenal of specialized techniques that would be useful against hachibi's chakra shroud/etc.

I want to see where he pulled those big ass swords he killed the first three pein bodies with, though.