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what are you saying he looks badass in the second design, and theoretically he should not have aged while dead.
Second design is my fav. I think it just shows Oku's progress as an artist.
His new personality does seem to match the new look though. He's a lot more calm and collected than he used to be. Just more likable in general.
yea i think he is more likable, but i cant decide that since I was always a nishi fan. I guess the idea of him ks'ing the tengu kill is kinda against him, i still stay it doesnt count as a ks if knob couldnt finish it off.
I actually prefer his earlier character design, for me it carries more of his character, this one is a little more generic.
Agreed...he doesn't look like a kid anymore...
The technology that Oku uses, as well as his artistic style, have both changed subtly over the course of the manga. Nishi's current look fits perfectly with the rest of the characters. Like any other comic book, there will be people who will like one style better; with Marvel, the comparison is often Jack Kirby vs. Todd Mcfarlane. They are both great; if they weren't, there would be no debate. In this case, the debate is early Oku vs. current Oku; I'm sure the artist himself will believe that he has improved over the years, but it's like Picasso or Van Gogh; lots of people believe their best work was their earliest pieces.
On the other hand, Nishi's current attitude is consistent with his attitude during the early missions. Just like with the onion alien, he didn't "kill steal"; Knob-yan was dying. There is no way he could finish off the Tengu. The others were just standing around laughing and calling him names. Nishi didn't kill the Tengu just to save his life, but he didn't take the kill from him, either. It's true that the others could have joined the fight, but they hadn't. That meant that the Tengu was fair game. Why should he wait for the Tengu to kill what appeared to be a strong warrior, just to give the kill to the people who were laughing at him while he died?
Just because the Osakans told the Tokyo team to butt out didn't mean that they got exclusive rights to the hunt. Gantz sent both teams in because it thought they would both need to work together to eliminate something as strong as Nurarihyon. Since both teams were sent in, the Tokyo team had the same rights to the hunt as the Osaka team did. They just wimped out because the Osaka team seemed stronger.
Nishi thinks of knowledge as power, the same as he did in the beginning. He still just tells people the minimum that they need to know. The only one he has opened up to at all was Izumi, whose memory was like swiss cheese, but who had apparently once been Nishi's friend.
Nishi still thinks that Katou gives out way too much information before the hunts, and that it's every man for himself, that it isn't a team sport. He still doesn't like Katou.
On the other hand, Nishi does give people a lot of necessary information. He told the people in the first mission that they needed to hunt the alien, not to leave the area, etc.; He told the survivors of the first mission not to talk about it or their heads would explode. He showed them that the suits can turn invisible. He told them how he believed that Gantz collected them. He told them that they might find their originals when they went home because Gantz doesn't always wait till somebody dies before making a copy. That's perfectly consistent with him warning the current team that Izumi was going to be attacked.
Nishi wants the high score, he wants to finish the mission not only without dying, but without getting hurt, probably because of the memory loss after players get hurt. He wants to be able to gloat over the fact that he knows more than everybody else. He enjoys that sense of power.
The old Nishi used the same tactics as he did during the fight in the subway and against Nurarihyon; he's a stealther. It's the most effective tactic. Izumi used stealth to his advantage, as well. So did Oka. Even with Oka's weaponry advantages, the girls mentioned that Oka generally just skulks around in his stealth suit till the hunt is almost over. Oka himself said that he was thru with the Nurarihyon fight because it was dangerous. Izumi likes to fight, but he uses stealth nearly every time. It is one of the biggest advantages that the suits have; you would think that even the numbskulls on the current team would figure out how to use it.
On a new note: Did anybody else notice that Nishi didn't bother to join in the fight against the vampires while they were fighting the humans, but he was ready to try to kill HS when he walked over to the ball? Once he realized that the vampire didn't know how to hurt Gantz, he lowered his weapon. But he would have had no problem trying to kill HS if he had managed to do any damage.
Gantz might have a vulnerability or two that Nishi knows about, or he wouldn't have bothered holding a gun on HS and risking a fight with him in close quarters. After all, HS was holding his own against Katou, Kaze, Reika, Cherry AND Sakata all combined just seconds before. Nishi cares a lot more about Gantz than most people realize, or he wouldn't have risked his life to protect it.
His appearance has changed, but his lovely personality still intact, that's right.
Personaly i love both designs, but the first one was more autentic, like warbandit66 said the new one it's a little bit generic, but it's cool too.
it's a pleasure read your texts georgemarvin.
he was just a pussy, imhoOriginally Posted by goergemarvin
dunna maybe he just felt it wasnt his buisness, or maybe he just had confidence in izumi. if he is such a pussy would he have tried to kill the 100 pointer he just saw take out 2 guys that each cleared 3 times?
Check this out:
Nishi himself admits that he uses people as bait, btw point me a single time he ever engaged an enemie that wasent being previously attacked by someone, oh yeah u can count the tanaka alien a weak ass 5 pointer that killed nishi.Now for gods sake stop arguing about this, u can like nishi for any reason, u can believe what he does is smart or that it is what u would do if u were in gantz but dont argue about him not being a cowards because he is.
lol well what else are you supposed to talk about in the nishi thread? also can you really blame him for using people as cannon fodder? he's been through enough hunts on his own to know that most of the time most people that end up in gantz are useless when it comes to hunting. He also has no way of telling how strong an alien is. Attacking nuri can be seen as both cowardly and kind, he couldve been helping katou. Lets face it katou got his ass saved this arc twice once by nishi and the other by hs.
and yes you can argue that I am a nishi fan so obviously i would defend him.
Nishi didn't attack Nuri or Tengu, or for that matter, the onion alien, until the people who were fighting them had lost the battle. When he attacked Tengu, Knob-yan was almost dead. When he attacked Nuri, Katou was about to end up with the same fate as George. He let the newbies get the kill with the little onion alien, and he tried to get Kei to take the kill and the points with the big one.Quote:
More like brags about it. Nishi also lies about things to make himself look bigger. He seems to have an inferiority complex.Quote:
Yes, Nishi uses the cannon fodder as ... cannon fodder. Same as every general in every army since there was such a thing as war.
But think about it: The truth is, most of the people that Gantz brings to the room aren't exactly the folks you would want to move in next door. Would you tell the yakuza who had just tried to rape a girl everything that you know about a super suit and very powerful weaponry? How about the biker thugs who tried to kill Nishi just for the fun of it? The rapist thugs? Only if you're a suicidal idiot with an IQ in the single digits. A huge percent of the newbs would be more likely to kill you than to help if you told them how to use the suits and guns.
Nishi isn't a coward just because he doesn't tell potential enemies how to kill him. Nishi has probably learned not to trust anybody because he has been double-crossed too many times by people that he trusted and told some of Gantz' secrets to.
He did tell the survivors of the first mission quite a bit of useful info, though. If you will look back just before the Tanaka mission, he hinted to Kei that there was a way for him to survive the mission without a suit; when he said "have fun dying"; he was having a little cruel fun, but he was about to tell Kei how to live. He just wanted to watch him grovel and beg a little first. That would fit Nishi's thirst for power perfectly. Unfortunately for Kei, the biker shot Nishi before he could play out his joke and get Kei to beg and plead for his life. He wouldn't have mentioned it unless he wanted to show it to Kei, though. We know now that Nishi was hinting about the armory room; a bike and a katana would have boosted Kei's chances by a lot.
So he did tell the ones who had earned a little trust at least part of what they needed to know. And it wouldn't matter what anybody told most of the rest of them; the grandmother and toddler didn't benefit much from Katou's advice. No matter how many times Kei and Katou told the newbs not to leave the area, there are always a few who did it anyway. Very few of the newbs wear the suits, no matter what they are told. And most of them are going to die no matter what. Nishi would have learned a long ago not to form friendships with people who are going to die within a few days.
When Nishi captured the onion father, Kei was in no condition to continue the fight. Nishi didn't kill steal; in fact, he tried to get Kei to take the points. He let Kei have all of the credit, too; he didn't mention that he had captured it when Katou asked Kei how he had captured the alien.Quote:
He engaged and killed the thug, who had just shot him. Nobody bothered to stop the thug; they just stood around and watched him while he shot Nishi. The thug didn't know that a suit can take a couple of hits before it breaks, and just planned to kill Nishi for the fun of it.
Lest we forget, Nishi asked for help against the weak Tanaka AFTER his suit blew out. It was already damaged when the thug shot him, and only partially functional. Normally, a suit dies after something hits it; that's the only case in the manga of a suit dying for no apparent reason; he had just hit the Tanaka and it went flying into a wall. It looked like he would have won the fight handily, even without a weapon; the Tanaka was no match for him if the suit had worked. I theorized that one of the thugs must have shot him in the back; suits don't just quit working unless they get hit by something.
When the vampires attacked on the bus, Nishi and Izumi hit them at the same time; the one Nishi sliced in half fell at the same time as the one that Izumi cut. When it showed them, it looked like Nishi's sword was already pointed at the ground; he actually hit faster than Izumi.
The only other battle Nishi was in was the Nuri hunt; it could be argued that in both occasions, he saved somebody's life.
was it really random dieing? he got hit twice before the mission then again by the tanaka alien.
also this couloda been a hit
it still stands though nishi without the suit is weak, smart but weak. unlike people like kaze he has to rely on the suit to survive.
also george i dont remember nishi having a sword during the subway scence he did get one though.
Last edited by Masterchief; September 01, 2008 at 06:54 PM.
here u can see kurono breaking the aliens arm
kurono beating him up:
onion alien begging:
now nishi steps in and shots down a defeated alien
Hope u understand now, nishi wasent saving anyone here, he was gonna give the points to kurono because kurono was the one to defeat the guy.
see it here:
the guy ends up shooting nishi by mistake:
Nishi goes and kills the guy.
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You're right, looks like Nishi used a pistol on the subway. It had been a while since I read it; my memory isn't what it used to be. The point stands, though; they were in sync and each killed a vampire at the same time. They both went invisible and came out of invisibility mode at the same time, too. Like two veterans who have done the same thing countless times before.
It does show that Nishi doesn't just hide behind other players. Notice that Nishi and Izumi's actions are in synch when the vampires see them through their contacts. It looked like they had worked together so often that they knew each other's actions perfectly. Perfect teamwork from two guys who are supposedly just out for themselves.
Nishi was on the attack, not running and hiding like a coward would. After the initial fight, they both agreed that the vampires were Izumi's problem, and Nishi laid down in the middle of the aisle and fluffed up a pillow while Izumi took care of the rest of the vampires by cutting the bus in half. Strange behavior for a coward. It didn't look like he had any doubt about the outcome of the fight.
The vampire that Nishi killed was falling at the same time as the one that Izumi sliced.
Quote:That is sort of my point; the suits don't generally fail that easily. Nishi got hit twice before the mission started, then by one weak Tanaka's sonics. It failed a minute after that, while he was just standing there. Five of the Tanakas hit Katou point-blank with the same screams, and it had no effect on his suit. The Tanakas' screams were evidently an extremely low-level attack.Quote:
He did get hit on page 8. I thought page 10 wasn't a hit, since it was yelling the words to a song instead of a sonic scream. The suits generally fail at the time they are hit, not a minute later, while the wearer is just standing there after he has just hit an enemy and sent it flying.
Notice the oddities. After he hits the Tanaka, his suit isn't leaking. He's just standing there, then there is a noise then his suit starts leaking.
On the next page, he hears the noise three more times as it keeps leaking.
His back is to the thugs; he has just killed one of their friends. The suits just quit; they don't make a noise when they die. The thugs all have the means, motive and opportunity. They would do something like that just for fun, but now they have the extra incentive of getting a little revenge. After the suit died, they were having too much fun watching him run and ask for help to think about finishing him off themselves. As soon as the Tanaka blew out his eyes and ears, they suddenly decided to go home. Maybe the Tanaka had a little help?
I stand by my statement: Kei was kneeling over Katou. The onion alien was standing over him begging for forgiveness. Neither Kei nor the onion alien was in any condition to continue the fight. Kei didn't know about the timer or the penalties for failing; he had no intention of finishing off the onion father. If Nishi hadn't captured it, he would have let it go. Nishi didn't care about the points; he offered them to Kei. He also let Kei take the credit for the kill when they were back in the room.Quote:
I never said that the little bastard killed the Tengu and tried to take out Nuri out of the goodness of his heart; he's after the high score. He just happened to save them in the process. The point was that he wasn't kill stealing in either case. He also wasn't kill stealing against the onion father. In all three cases, the fight was over and the Gantz member had lost. In the case of the first mission, you could say that both the onion alien and Kei had just quit the fight, but you must admit that it wasn't a kill steal; Kei was in no condition to continue the fight. Katou had just told him that it was his fault. Kei had his back to the alien, and he was kneeling over Katou. The onion alien was towering over them both. From Nishi's perspective, there was a big alien roaring over Kei, who was kneeling on the ground with his back to it; if you ran up and saw that scene, you would assume that Kei was about to die. He "saved" Kei from the onion alien, even though it was through with the fight and wouldn't have hurt Kei.Quote:
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