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Thread: One Piece Volume 53 (ch513-522) Discussion

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    Re: One Piece 513 Discussion/514 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by DanteSonOfSparda View Post
    If Vegapunk would be able to clone ppl, wouldn't it be more logical to clone some admirals who are way stronger than any pacifista?
    Maybe there's a devils-fruit involved, who knows...We know very little about Vegapunk and his possibilities of research, so I guess it could be anything
    I don’t think that the pacifista are clone like biological clon’s, I think they are more like a project started from zero that keep upgrading from time to time. Remember Drake’s thought, about how far had got Vegapunk with the pacifistas.

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    Re: One Piece 513 Discussion/514 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by DanteSonOfSparda View Post
    If Vegapunk would be able to clone ppl, wouldn't it be more logical to clone some admirals who are way stronger than any pacifista?
    Maybe there's a devils-fruit involved, who knows...We know very little about Vegapunk and his possibilities of research, so I guess it could be anything
    well, that beam to Kuma and the pacifista's is Kizaru's power. So ofcourse no one of us can predict whether he can clone people or not. But why he clone Kuma instead of Kizaru is a good question (if he really does clone). Is it even proven that it is Vegapunk that has made the Kuma pacifista's? I think i've read it, but im very unsure atm. ^^

    1 thing we know is that it costs a fortune to build a Pacifista. So to build a robot as kizaru, moving in the speed of light.. might get very hard and very very expensive.. dont u think?

    Am i wrong or has any of the pacifista's moved FAST yet (they just stand still)? they just uses their beams right? im not sure, caus i hasn't done any research, but if that's the case it means Vegapunk isn't capeable of building anything better than then Kuma Pacifista's, at least he hasn't builded anything better yet... =) So that might be the reason why he hasn't cloned Kizaru, he simply can't due kizaru's speed and power.
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    Re: One Piece 513 Discussion/514 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Sachsenhesse View Post
    Why you all think this makes luffy stronger and he stays by the crew? It was the worst possible moment in luffys life to see all of his nakama vanshining before his eyes. I personally expect that he will take a pause for being the captain because he couldnt save anyone and such a captain is in his eyes nothing worth. So we are all was thinking it becomes an rescue zoro arc, but right now it seems to me like a "make luffy again the captain arc".
    I totally agree with you.
    For Luffy this is the worst situation possible!
    It means he has failed his most basic ambition: the safety of his crewmates! The one thing he considers the most important duty of a captain.

    Normaly Luffy never gives up, but he also has his principles. After this incident he might see himself unworthy of being a captain. I'm sure his crewmate will have a hard time to cheer him up to not loose their captain.

    But as all SHs should be scattered around the world (in groups or not) the upcoming will more be a "survival arc" in both matters avoiding death and keep on being the "Strawhat Pirate Crew".

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    Re: One Piece 513 Discussion/514 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Popo View Post
    I totally agree with you.
    For Luffy this is the worst situation possible!
    It means he has failed his most basic ambition: the safety of his crewmates! The one thing he considers the most important duty of a captain.

    Normaly Luffy never gives up, but he also has his principles. After this incident he might see himself unworthy of being a captain. I'm sure his crewmate will have a hard time to cheer him up to not loose their captain.

    But as all SHs should be scattered around the world (in groups or not) the upcoming will more be a "survival arc" in both matters avoiding death and keep on being the "Strawhat Pirate Crew".
    This is the worst predicament for Luffy for all the reasons that you stated but also because in the very first chapter Luffy said "That he would gather a bunch of Nakama together and sail across the ocean" even at that age the most important thing about being a pirate was your Nakama's. In EL Luffy became stronger for his Nakama's so they wouldn't leave his crew. Yet here and now Luffy has failed at this one thing that he considers that important to him. Whether this will have detrimental effects later on the road remains to be seen.

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    Re: One Piece 513 Discussion/514 Predictions

    the question for me now is, whether this incident (punching a tenryuubito and getting to fight an admiral because of that, during which they got pawed [it's the new powned ^^]),
    whether it aplies to what Zoro said in chapter 6 :"if you (he means Luffy) do something that ends up in the way of my goal, I will have to cut your stomach open to say sorry" or in a better translation: "If anything happens that causes me to give up my goals... You have to disembowel yourself in apology!!!" (it fits the idea of Seppuku much more than the first one!).
    however, do you think it is enough for Zoro to see that case now OR might he - like everyone else - have grown up so much that nakama are worth more now than a "minor" drawback in fulfilling his dream?
    a crucial point imo!

    [and by rereading this part, I noticed, that punching Helmeppo and punching Chalros was almost the same, only that now the situation is worse]

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    Re: One Piece 513 Discussion/514 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Akainu View Post
    the question for me now is, whether this incident (punching a tenryuubito and getting to fight an admiral because of that, during which they got pawed [it's the new powned ^^]),
    whether it aplies to what Zoro said in chapter 6 :"if you (he means Luffy) do something that ends up in the way of my goal, I will have to cut your stomach open to say sorry" or in a better translation: "If anything happens that causes me to give up my goals... You have to disembowel yourself in apology!!!" (it fits the idea of Seppuku much more than the first one!).
    however, do you think it is enough for Zoro to see that case now OR might he - like everyone else - have grown up so much that nakama are worth more now than a "minor" drawback in fulfilling his dream?
    a crucial point imo!

    [and by rereading this part, I noticed, that punching Helmeppo and punching Chalros was almost the same, only that now the situation is worse]
    speaking of Zoro, he wants to be the greates swordman in the world.. then he has to surpass Kizaru and the dark king too then, caus they also uses swords, so zoro is now dead OR he must become stronger (same goes for the rest of the SH's).
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    Re: One Piece 513 Discussion/514 Predictions

    This situation will help the SHs to drastically grow up without loosing their lovely bakaness.
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    Re: One Piece 513 Discussion/514 Predictions

    Quote Quote:
    the question for me now is, whether this incident (punching a tenryuubito and getting to fight an admiral because of that, during which they got pawed [it's the new powned ^^]),
    whether it aplies to what Zoro said in chapter 6 :"if you (he means Luffy) do something that ends up in the way of my goal, I will have to cut your stomach open to say sorry" or in a better translation: "If anything happens that causes me to give up my goals... You have to disembowel yourself in apology!!!" (it fits the idea of Seppuku much more than the first one!).
    zorro has no problem with luffy punching the royal.

    http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/503/06/

    he wanted to do the same. in his eyes luffy did the right thing.

    after all this time, zorro knows quite well how his captain will react. zorro knows quite well of the power of an admiral (pwnage Aokiji if he had a problem with that he had stopped luffy. ). just like the time he made luffy clear about the choice he has to make with robin and lysopp (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/438/02/ http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/438/03/ as well http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/341/03/ http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/341/04/ )

    zorro is the one who reasons the crew and especially luffy. if he sees a problem which really matters he'd point it out. so i see no problem with him being mad at luffy. especially after willing to give his life in order for luffy to become the pirate king http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/485/12/

    and seriously: i was never so exited to read the next OP chapter as now. this arc is sooo amazing.
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    Re: One Piece 513 Discussion/514 Predictions

    Omfg...this was too emotional.The part when Nami seeking Luffys help,the part where Brooke said i will protect you with my life,the part where Luffy started to panic and was giving up,the part when Luffy cried.Dmn u GODa-sensei.
    I hope we see what became of SH's next chap.It will be ridiculous if the next chap. will talk about Ace,WB etc.
    We NEED to know wtf did Kuma actually do!

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    Re: One Piece 513 Discussion/514 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Akainu View Post
    the question for me now is, whether this incident (punching a tenryuubito and getting to fight an admiral because of that, during which they got pawed [it's the new powned ^^]),
    whether it aplies to what Zoro said in chapter 6 :"if you (he means Luffy) do something that ends up in the way of my goal, I will have to cut your stomach open to say sorry" or in a better translation: "If anything happens that causes me to give up my goals... You have to disembowel yourself in apology!!!" (it fits the idea of Seppuku much more than the first one!).
    Zoro asked Kuma to kill him in order to protect Luffy... I don't think he's going to kill Luffy for getting them in a tight spot.

    I also don't think Luffy is going to get all Naruto... err... emo about it. If they all wake up in the same place, he'll clap his hands over his head, laugh about how he thought he was dead, and then yell about kicking Sentoumaru's ass.
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    Re: One Piece 513 Discussion/514 Predictions

    Hey all, just getting into one piece. Can anyone tell me what manga chapter is equivalent to the latest episode (368) in the anime?

    *edit* Nevermind - found it
    Last edited by craig; September 06, 2008 at 10:31 PM.

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    Re: One Piece 513 Discussion/514 Predictions

    LOL your probably correct Richard, followed by wen he meets Sentou he pulls out some new epic move and dispatches him, like gear 4/5

    But the real question is whether they all wake up in the same place...... I mean I thought they would when we witnessed Ray and Kuma talking quietly but then the final closing statements make me think otherwise.....if Kuma was saving them why would it say that they were "totally defeated"??

    BTW this totally end the Ray is stronger than Kizaru debate....turns out they're pretty muc the exact same level nowadays but in his prime he could have dispatched al three of them so I guess both parties were correct, and if anyone wants to dispute this I'm going to go shoot myself in the head LOL


    Different in so many ways, but similar in even more......

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    Re: One Piece 513 Discussion/514 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Akainu View Post
    the question for me now is, whether this incident (punching a tenryuubito and getting to fight an admiral because of that, during which they got pawed [it's the new powned ^^]),
    whether it aplies to what Zoro said in chapter 6 :"if you (he means Luffy) do something that ends up in the way of my goal, I will have to cut your stomach open to say sorry" or in a better translation: "If anything happens that causes me to give up my goals... You have to disembowel yourself in apology!!!" (it fits the idea of Seppuku much more than the first one!).
    however, do you think it is enough for Zoro to see that case now OR might he - like everyone else - have grown up so much that nakama are worth more now than a "minor" drawback in fulfilling his dream?
    a crucial point imo!

    [and by rereading this part, I noticed, that punching Helmeppo and punching Chalros was almost the same, only that now the situation is worse]

    I think zoro has changed a lot during his time with luffy and the crew.....Infact I think zoro now has two ambitions, one is to be the strongest swordaman and the other is to make luffy pirate king.....he is the closest out of all the crew to luffy....the zoro that said those words was still in pirate hunter mode, some what.....and I dont think luffy did anything here that obstructs his path, I think he will see this more like a lack of his own strength than that of luffy's....I think most of the crew will feel this was, including luffy....I think there has to be a lot of healing before they can work as a team again.....

    this is why I am against the straw hats spkitting up theory, if they split up now, what would be the driving force bringing them back together...except for the fearsome three most of the others must be scared shitless of the new world now......If they r alone I dont think they would want to go back....
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    Re: One Piece 513 Discussion/514 Predictions

    I think Kuma found something admirable in Zoro when he met him in thriller bark. Unlike the other shichibukai Kuma seems like an honorable person, specially that hinting Bible he holds.

    It was that sumo guy that said Kuma's paw could send people flying for 3days and 3nights and only the sender(kuma) knows where they will land. If Kuma has more control over his power than how it was explained I think it's possible that he sent them all to a specific place or places not to far from each other.

    And as Kizaru said in the end you can't trust Pirates. First and foremost Kuma is still a Pirate. all the shichibukai are. They aren't "retired" or anything. They simply don't have bounties because of the "deals" the make with the WG. Just look at the other shichibukai so far. Despite "being loyal to the WG" they skip out on meetings. Moria still wanted to be king. Crocodile wanted to take over a kingdom. Even BB is only using them to make it easier for him to become Pirate King also.

    One Piece has never really had a "training arc" like the so many that pollute Naruto or Bleach. I think the next arc will be an actual "training arc" in which all the crew train themselves to become stronger.

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    Re: One Piece 513 Discussion/514 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Oblivion View Post
    zorro has no problem with luffy punching the royal.

    http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/503/06/

    he wanted to do the same. in his eyes luffy did the right thing.

    after all this time, zorro knows quite well how his captain will react. zorro knows quite well of the power of an admiral (pwnage Aokiji if he had a problem with that he had stopped luffy. ). just like the time he made luffy clear about the choice he has to make with robin and lysopp (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/438/02/ http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/438/03/ as well http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/341/03/ http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/341/04/ )

    zorro is the one who reasons the crew and especially luffy. if he sees a problem which really matters he'd point it out. so i see no problem with him being mad at luffy. especially after willing to give his life in order for luffy to become the pirate king http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/485/12/

    and seriously: i was never so exited to read the next OP chapter as now. this arc is sooo amazing.
    ur german, but speaks good english, so pls use their english names too (Zoro, Usopp, Luffy) not lysopp, zorro and Ruffy.. =)
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