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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
kakashi and sandaime weren't in similar situation. Kakashi knew sasuke's heart , he didn't a make a mystery of his vengenge. But Kakashi was aware of oro , simply concerned by his student 's safety.
Last edited by seya; September 12, 2008 at 03:21 AM.
I know you don't want to get off topic, but I had to point this out. Note that Jiraiya in that scene explains that he has spent his travels following Orochimaru. He then says this is one reason he came to Konoha because "that person" (Orochimaru) was going to return soon. Doesn't this mean it must have been before Orochimaru's big debut?Quote:
Well since it's a question i'll answer. When he said "that person will return to the village one day" that doesn't mean it happened before the Sandiame was killed. It just meant he thought Ororchimaru wasn't finished with konoha. A hunch that proved correct when the sound trio invaded.
I will say one more thing regarding Kakashi's skill as a teacher. All through the manga Naruto has had to be "retaught the basic skills" or "didn't know the right way to use kagebunshin" or "didn't know what elemental and spacial composition was" or "couldn't resist genjutsu at all". All those things could have, and should have, been taught to Naruto by Kakashi and weren't. You can't expect Naruto to be born knowing everything.
I don't mean to say Kakashi is a horrible teacher. But i do mean to say Kakashi is not perfect as a teacher, and he has made more than his share of mistakes.
As for him being Sakura's teacher, the only thing i can really imagine him being able to teach her would be genjutsu. Considering that most of the current powerful characters seem to be able to shrug off genjutsu without much difficulty, i don't think that is the best path for her to gain fighting power.
During what time would Kakashi have had time to teach him all this stuff? I mean when you look at the timeline from when Team 7 was formed to when it was broken up, it couldn't have been more than 6 months (two chuunin exams/yr, no mention of one during the academy time nor early in the team history) Then Chuunin exams, he leaves with Jiraiya for Tsunade (figure about a month for that whole excursion) and then 3 months later he's back off with Jiraiya again. So that's what 10 months total that Naruto has known Kakashi at least 4 of which he wasn't under the tutelage of Kakashi. Kakashi was also not the type of person to go mucking up another teachers work when it wasn't his place.
Now, those six months were most likely consumed with basics and reteaching Naruto most of what he SHOULD have learned in the academy, but for what is likely a variety of reasons didn't, teamwork too. Ultimately, you cannot ignore the basics and thats why Naruto has been so handicapped up until recently. He's finally mastered them all and finally started to get his head screwed on straight under the teaching of Jiraiya (I'm pretty sure that's what most of the 2 yr trip was doing).
As for the Kagebunshin, I figured he would have expected Naruto to have figured that out already and that's why he was so confused and put out when Naruto stared at him blankly during the intro to the elemental training.
Let's all be honest, Naruto did more with basic techniques and his ridiculous amounts of chakra (and one advanced jutsu) against Gaara then Sasuke could manage with the Sharingan, Chidori, and his advanced ninjutsu.
AND all of the stuff you mentioned is really, really advanced (High Chuunin lvl and above) So, teaching him that stuff was not right given what he knew and what he needed to know.
He found time to teach that stuff to Sasuke didn't he?
As for the kagebunshin thing, all he would have had to do is say "Hey Naruto. Did you know that kagebunshins are excellent for scouting, since you absorb whatever knowledge they have gained when they pop.". Naruto learned kagebunshins after he left the academy so he certainly wasn't going to learn about them any other way.
That's the kind of valuable information that could have helped them alot in the forest of death.
Last edited by Jammin; September 11, 2008 at 05:36 PM.
Ya, when has Naruto ever been not dense except in battle? Plus, things can even escape a ninja of such capabilities as Kakashi (like the whole Zabuza/Hunter-nin discussion)
You are very right Endros, but Kakashi did teach them alot in those few months (although not nearly as much as any of his students learned from their respective masters - the sannin). He took 3 ninja fresh from the academy and turned them into a capable force. Now, as others have said, his students are due just as much credit as Kakashi himself is due as their teacher. While other his students have definitely learned more from their respective masters after their short stint under Kakashi's leadership, Kakashi layed the foundations and has had a more important role in laying down the values instilled in those three. A great example of this is their teamwork: throughout the manga Kakashi has stressed teamwork, and even Sasuke - the one who has wandered farthest from what Kakashi has taught - still holds some of Kakashi's views on teamwork, as evidenced in some of the newer chapters (we'll ignore the fact that I find Sasuke's regrowing of his heart to be utter horse-shiite )
but seriously, this is probably off-topic, and will probably be the last time I post here. Back on topic, I can easily see Tsunade dying some time in the future, leaving Kakashi to become Hokage. With Tsunade's death, Sakura will be forced to grow up and will probably learn some new stuff (like genjutsu ), although I doubt it will be from Kakashi. Of course, this probably won't happen, as my predictions never come true. And truthfully, I don't want this one to either (let Tsunade live!).
THEN Naruto came back to town and guess what?
he learned specific jutsu... from who? Kakashi.
Naruto didn't even have an elemental jutsu
Kakashi gave him one of the most powerful jutsu on narutoverse
or, even if he could, Kakashi didn't know
or, Naruto couldn't handle the mental fatigue
or Naruto didn't have that insane amount of chakra that he has now
Last edited by jodi; September 11, 2008 at 05:39 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
I'm not talking about kagebunshin as a training tool. All the credit for that goes right to Kakashi, it was brilliant. Kakashi is fantastic with ninjutsu no doubt about that.Originally Posted by jodi
However, he knew one of Naruto's big weapons was his kagebunshin but he never found the time to tell him something that important about it. To be able to send out an expendable scout ahead o the party would have been very using during the forest of death and chasing down Sasuke. Jiriaya had a good reason for not mentioning it to Naruto he probably would have assumed that Kakashi told him, i know i would have.
As much fun as it is to get swept up in a debate about whether or not Kakashi has made mistakes as a teacher. The question of this thread is "whether or not Kakashi will ever train Sakura" and as i've said before hijacking this thread really wasn't my intention. So i'll stop posting about this.
Last edited by Jammin; September 11, 2008 at 06:27 PM.
like: "To create this new jutsu you must put elemental chakra on your spatial rasengan, but you must fuse them your way k?"
thats for me is teaching
I don't think Kakashi can really teach Sakura that much use for thing for "her". Their style is completely different. He can't teach her a useful/powerful ninjutsu because Sakura ain't the ninjutsu type, she a genjutsu type if i remember right. He can't teacher taijutsu because their taijutsu fighting style is different. The best teacher for Sakura is already teaching her.