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You find out earlier in the story if you're lookin'...Anyway:
I don't really understand how or why things worked out that way (i.e. why it suddenly "grew up"), but ya know, shit happens?
We actually don't know if Caska's child and the one at the beach are one and the same. For all we know, the child has been entirely taken over by Griffith when he was reborn. We don't know what this child was, it can be a trick of the Elf King or whatever. Miura will tell us when he sees fit, but there is no definite evidence as of know.
What do you mean, "entirely taken over by Griffith"?
If that's true, why would the child protect Casca and appear before Guts as often as he did? Griffith obviously doesn't give a shit about either of them, unless rape is how he expresses his feelings?
And I suppose we don't have "enough" evidence, but Guts and Casca's baby is out there somewhere, and this child happens to look exact like Casca, and protected her just like the baby does.
Until proven otherwise, that's enough proof for me to believe it's the child.
And maybe we should go name this "The Casca Thread".
Ahaha Very funny. I second that notion to change my thread into the Caska thread. Those points about how the deformed/evil child kepted showing up for Gatsu/Gutts/Gatts giving him revelation about caska alone is enough to consider that it's their child. Also even though it was corrupted it still protected or warned Gutsu of danger that is nigh to caska and him. But this full grown child has Gutsu looks but caska eyes and hair is alone enough to comfirm this until Muira tells us so.
Just because it's a mini-Caska it doesn't mean it's her daughter. Maybe her... memories!? (mind)
The possibility that that little girl is her "mind" is questionable though. How would her mind materialize like that into something everyone can see?
There are still too many similarities to her child for me to think that its not. I'm curious though, it might be a nice twist if it wasn't.
I don't mind the highjacking, since we have nothing to do but wait, so we might as well camp.Originally Posted by jabbament
Let me make sure we are talking about the same thing: right after the 1st eclipse and Caska was raped, some evil embryo was birthed (as underlined by the page you show). This embryo showed up regularly to protect Caska (and piss off Guts). That was until the Tower of Rebirth, where Femto used this very embryo as a physical vessel to materialize in the world. He then met Guts at the Hills of swords, to make sure no feelings are on his dream's way, but it turned out that he got out of the way to save Caska from rock's fall, like some residual feelings of the embryo was left in him. So at this point, the embryo (Guts and Caska's child) is no more. All of this are actuakl facts in the manga.
Then this child (Caska lookalike) make it's apparition at the beach for whatever reason (Guts got the Berserker armour and kill some sea bugs), and seems to get along well with Caska and Guts, and repel some monsters. If this child turns out to be STILL the original embryo, then Miura has some explaining to do because it's a plothole: this embryo has already been used by Femto and should not exist any more, not like that. THat's why I am saying we don't have any solid evidence for what it is.
I thought Femt was reborn throught the "perfect world egg apostle"
considering the facts:
1- Femto didn't need the evil embryo to be reborn in human form since the egg apostle talked about how he was going to be the egg for the perfect world before even meeting the embryo ( I think he is a toddler though...a deformed todler)
2- the egg apostle hosted the evil embryo/toddler inside him after meeting the embryo by a mere coinsidence
3-the ambryo saved Caska by "repelling" demons / moonchild saved Caska at the beach after repelling the crocodile familiar
In my opnion the moonchild is the embryo. the reason I think so is because two evil beings were inside the egg apostle...one was Femto who became Griffith again, the second one is highly likely the evil embryo reborn as the moonchild
Why did the evil embryo keep appearing before Gutts? The Skull Knight told Gutts that Caska's son "chose to be evil when he was born" and also said "he is a child nontheless who will yearn for his parents"I think that this child is Gutts and Caska's child who wanted to be evil ..maybe after Griffith raping Caska. on the other hand, moonchild appeared before Gutts and Caska at the beach and in the secene where Gutts and Caska grapped him before he fell to the ground Isidiro said that they looked like a family (a hint by Miura? maybe!)
Of course as Alb said we still don't have proof of what happened to the embryo and who the moonchild is but so far what I mentioned above fits every aspect of the story...makes sense?
Yeah, I understand what you mean now, though I admit, I never really understood this part of the manga.Originally Posted by AlbatorBis
Was the embryo actually used in the rebirth of Griffith? That egg-man ate the embryo and said something like "Lets die together", but look:
The shape of the "shadow" in the 2nd picture looks like that egg-man. It always looked to me that once that egg ate the deformed embryo, it was able to grow human-like.
It never seemed to me that when Griffith appeared reborn, that he was anywhere near the egg-man and the embryo. Berserk confuses me at times like these.
errm, the human body that griffith has now is the body from the child of guts and caska.
look at this:
inside the egg/behelit:
here we can see the egg/behelit break/die:
Griffith in his new body watching guts fight zodd:
Griffith just saved caska from getting hit by a bunch of rocks:
so i am putting all my cards on that the baby that was in caskas womb when she was raped by griffith is now the container for his new body.
i dont think the moonchild is the egg/behelit. his wish was to be the egg for the perfect world
and he has done that now. by giving birth to the "man" that will save midland.
the moonchild.... i have no clue
Originally Posted by Yoced
Oh if the moonchild and the evil embryo turn out to be the same "thing" and Guts finds out I think Guts will most likely try to kill him like he always did...Guts just hates demons regardless of who they are. It's true it will then be somehow similar to Guts' own childhood
I don't think it's that simple.Originally Posted by Silhouette
Aazealh wrote a comment about Guts and his child at skullknight.net which i think sums it up pretty well:
And the way how Guts is thinking about the whereabouts of the child in episode 238 also doesn't look to me as if he bears a fundamental grudge against it.Quote:
but we also never saw the baby ever 'attack' guts, i would appear and try to get to his father, but guts always sent it alway, we dont know if he really wanted to harm guts or if he wanted to be accepted and maybe even help him,since it always appeared when guts was looking like a good help would be good, and guts not knowing it would interpret it like an haunting....
edit: sorry, only saw last post was a long time ago after i had posted........