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Very interesting.Originally Posted by eni
I think it's the other way around, Eds dad seems to normal to be spawned. Mayby Eds dad did som kind of alchemy (involving the gate) and his body cloned itshelf except the soul, but i may be be out on deep water.Originally Posted by glasskatana
okay... im new here... but i love fma and this is my theory...
hoenheim is the first, most pefect homunculus that father created. so perfect, that he can age, perform alchsmy, and have children. so perfect that he undestands the the consequences of human alchemy and believes they are wrong. Because of this intelligence, he goes insane. i dont quite remember the chapter in which hoenheim visits pinako rockbell, but there he tells her that the country will soon be ravaged by war. i can only assume tht he is close to finding the ultimate "truth" which will allow him to use alchemy at a level like father.
the reason why father was able to prevent ed/al's alchemy was because they were using AMESTRIAN ALCHEMY!!! DUH! scar's brother brought back alchemy from Xing. Thus, isbalan alchemy, and the alchemy from xing are different from that of Amestris. Father, not expecting this, did not negate their alchemy too...
thats my theory.
I've been thinking. What if it's much more simple than all this. Does it really have to be some thing with gates, transmution and stuff? The manga is so different from the anime, it's more bibleish as absolutio most eloquently put it. If the Homunculus (seven deadly sins) where to be detroyed the way christans belive the would, (read topic Fated Punishment) why shouldn't they be created by who ("Father") the christians believe created the original sins?
I mean, this dude creats stuff out of nothing, and he does it with out movement. His "twin" Hohenheim (which mean something like higher adminstrator, but I could be wrong) get shot mulitple times (ch 46) without geting mad about it and forgives the villain. When Ed (or Al and Izumi) does alchemy Jing points out that it's almost as he's praying. Yes, I'm talking about God and the Devil. God did have a son in the bible, but i don't think that satan had one.
However, this theory has its problems. Why would Hohenheim call himshelf a monster (ch 46)? And depending on how you see things it was God who created sin. Some people also believe that the Devil can't creat things, just destroy. It depends on how you read the bible I presume... The bible isn't really my strong subjekt
Father is most likely the another part of Hohenheim
meaning that Hohenheim must've been created from Father but is like the good part of him or it could be that they were one..
but Father seperated his good side...from himself....
I think that Hohenhiem is a homonculus beacause
well according to the way Envy was speaking it seems like Father the one who taught Amerstrians their alchemy
I agree with this for the most part, except I think that the body is simply split between the mind and the soul, hence the similar looks. I also think that the split occurred many years ago, way before he married Trisha and had Ed and Al. As for the powers, i think that they were both spawned from truth, or the gate itself.Quote:
I agree with part of that theory. I think that Hoenheim and Father were originally the same person, a Xersean(i don't know if it's correct :P), more precisely the one that trasmuted himself and all of his people in order to create a giant philosofer's stone and become God(see old chapters, when ed was in gluttony's stomach); he managed to create the stone but something went wrong, so it lost its body, his mind and soul were split, and both of them entered in a new body. Its mind became Hoenheim, who uses some xersean soul to live, while its soul became Father, who uses the philosofer's stone in order to survive. Because their original body was destroyed, they can't age. For some reasons that i don't know, Father needs another giant stone(which is more perfect than the ones which belong to the homunculi, so Father can also tramute without moving) so he created Amestris and taught people how to use alchemy. He is the legendary eastern sage who formulated the equation of alchemy(see Marcoh talking about), and i think that all Amestrian alchemy derives from his own power, which is the reason why he could stop the Elrics' alchemy, but not rentanjutsu.
I have a bug in this theory and it is who taught xingians rentanjutsu. I think it was a xersean, but i can't tell who, maybe Hoenheim but i doubt strongly.
What do you think?
Last edited by mikio; June 26, 2007 at 06:25 PM.
I think maybe Father "made" another version of him. But like Ed he was rebellious and left Father and decided to travel. He meets trisha and fell in love with her...blah, blah. Realizes father's plan and is trying to stop it.
My theory is that Hohenheim and Father are/were brothers, and that in the time before recorded history they managed to somehow render themselves immortal through unspecified means. They then went their separate ways - Father to what became Amestris, Hohenheim to Xing. Envy was the fourth Homunculus created; his stone contains the citizens of Xerxes - I figure that to mean that there were other ancient civilisations that Father targeted to make Pride, Lust and Greed. Either that or the Xerxes populace are fueling all of the Homunculi plus Father and Hohenheim - thus the reason behind the giant array of Amestris, to refuel Father and possibly rid himself of a potential thorn in his side.
Well, chapter 75 basically explains it all.
I'm guessing that all those souls were one hell of a passage fee, which gave both Father and VH immense knowledge of alchemy - which is why both can now transmute without any motion (i guess it's a step up from the hand clapping?).
When Mei and Marcoh were discussing alchemy/rentanjutsu, Marcoh said alchemy derives its power from the movement of lava underground (or something like that). Mei then disagreed and said it felt more like souls moving around.
My guess - Mei is right and there's souls somewhere underground, powering Amestris' alchemy. That day, Father was able to stop alchemy by stopping the movement of souls, thus cutting off the power source.
While on the other hand, the rentenjutsu, or w/e its called, relies on the power of the earth. Something like a Druid's magic.. So that's why even father can't stop it.
My guess is that he is actually nothing more than a lifeform fused with the stone similar to what Van hohenheim most likely is.
i agree with riice opinion.
chapter 75 explained about it in detail.
Father(Hoenheim) = 1st homunculus = Copied VH body for himself
V. Hoenheim = Slave Number 23 = Elric's Father
Ultimately, both of them are philosopher's stone from Xerses transmutation (explaining the ability to transmute with any motion).
Last edited by mutafaca; March 11, 2008 at 04:09 AM.