Sasuke, Juugo, & Suigetsu vs. Team Gai

[kkck]

I dont think neji can beat sasuke... What would be the point of sasuke leaving konoha if any of the gennin shown in part one could beat him now(at their current strenth)?
Even if kaiten can disrupt chakra, there is still the blade. kaiten could disrupt the chakra flow in the sword (would be wierd to since the chakra is all over the blade, not on vein-like things like in a body) but if neji tries to block with his gentle fist he risks losing his arm to the blade. Chidori nagashi is still a problem at close range.
Also sasuke's eyes can predict the oponents movements, which means that for sasuke to not be able to keep up with neji's speed, neji would have to be more than significantly faster than sasuke.
Sharingan can also see chakra which means after a couple of attacks sasuke could start to understand the nature of the gentle fist (assuming he doesnt already now since oro could have told him like he did with kidomaru) by avoiding attacks.
Also there is the probability that byakugan's 360 degree view makes it hard for neji to avoid eye contact.
Neji is awesome but I just dont see him winning this one...

Also no one is underrating lee. Lee is strong but so is jugo. Just one punch on jugos part was able to create a fairly big crater on the ground. I dont think lee has that kind of strenth without activating gates.
http://mangahut.com/manga/Naruto/412/pg15
lee could be faster than jugo (we have no way of comparing their speed to each other) but it still could be very hard for him to deal with jugo's transformation abilities.
As for tenten, I dont think she can beat suigetsu by throwing kunais with exploding tags. That would help but I dont think it would be enough. Also no one said that suigetsu was as strong as sabusa. Kisame said that suigetsu was second to zabusa in the art of murder, and many called him "the second coming of zabusa momochi". Being second to zabusa in the art of murder is by no means something to take lightly. I still give suigetsu the edge in this one.

[ninjabot]

Why the hell is lee being so underrated. He is f-ing fast. His puches are hard too w/o the gates. And where does it say that juugo can use CS for speed. Look at jirobo, was he fast? No, so don't go saying CS can increase speed.

It doesn't say it anywhere. It does show it though:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/413/05/ first the protrusion grows and we see chakra glow inside it...
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/413/06/ then we see that Hachibi collided with the mountain causing a huge explosion that missed Juugo because he jumped away at the last minute. Increased speed.

3. Who said anything about blocking it. It just has to prevent it from hitting Neji.

That makes no sense. If it can't block the attack, that means the attack will go through, meaning Neji will be charred to death. Kaiten can't defend against Amaterasu, because Amaterasu will continue to exist until either Sasuke removes it, or a week has passed. If Neji by some impossible feat manages to hold off Amaterasu with Kaiten for a second, it will simply continue pushing against the sphere until Sasuke chooses to stop it. Neji can't defend against Amaterasu directly.

Likewise, he can't run from it. Sasuke couldn't even do it with CS2 activated, and he and Neji's speed are ranked the same. Meaning, Neji alone can't escape OR defend against Amaterasu.

5. Lee is practically to fast to be hit by an average taijutsu user who relies purely on his brute strength. Even Kimimaru had trouble hitting him when he was normal.

When fighting an opponent who you can't catch, you simply let them come to you. Lee runs in for a direct punch that is shrugged off. If Juugo grabs him at that exact moment, Lee would have to go Gates to break his hold. And Juugo will reach CS2 way faster than Lee can unlock a gate, meaning a fatal blow from that point is entirely possible. And Kimimaro couldn't hit Lee because he was moving erratically because of Suiken. Lee wasn't moving fast enough to avoid Kimimaro's attacks, he was just confusing him by acting silly. That's the entire point of Drunken Kung-fu.

7. Since when could Sasuke alter another's vision ??? And since Neji is capable of shooting chakra out of his palm, he could just shoot one to wake Lee up.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/360/08/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/384/19/

Also, to clear up the whole "one blow from Neji equals dead Sasuke", you have to understand that every one of those blows will be moving in slow motion, directly in front of him. Also, Sasuke doesn't have to rely on taijutsu at close range. Neji would have to break through an onslaught of shuriken and ninjutsu just to get a chance to hit Sasuke, as nothing he can do at long-range is capable of finishing Saske off.

And one more thing about "avoiding eye contact": when you're directly infront of your opponent, trying your hardest to find an oppening, you're not gonna avert your eyes from them for fear of not knowing when the attack will come. As Lee, Neji, Or Ten Ten attempt a direct blow Sasuke is free to move his body in a position where they have no choice but to look in his eyes.

[Raizen]

I dont think neji can beat sasuke... What would be the point of sasuke leaving konoha if any of the gennin shown in part one could beat him now(at their current strenth)?
Even if kaiten can disrupt chakra, there is still the blade. kaiten could disrupt the chakra flow in the sword (would be wierd to since the chakra is all over the blade, not on vein-like things like in a body) but if neji tries to block with his gentle fist he risks losing his arm to the blade. Chidori nagashi is still a problem at close range.
Also sasuke's eyes can predict the oponents movements, which means that for sasuke to not be able to keep up with neji's speed, neji would have to be more than significantly faster than sasuke.
Sharingan can also see chakra which means after a couple of attacks sasuke could start to understand the nature of the gentle fist (assuming he doesnt already now since oro could have told him like he did with kidomaru) by avoiding attacks.
Also there is the probability that byakugan's 360 degree view makes it hard for neji to avoid eye contact.
Neji is awesome but I just dont see him winning this one...

Also no one is underrating lee. Lee is strong but so is jugo. Just one punch on jugos part was able to create a fairly big crater on the ground. I dont think lee has that kind of strenth without activating gates.
http://mangahut.com/manga/Naruto/412/pg15
lee could be faster than jugo (we have no way of comparing their speed to each other) but it still could be very hard for him to deal with jugo's transformation abilities.
As for tenten, I dont think she can beat suigetsu by throwing kunais with exploding tags. That would help but I dont think it would be enough. Also no one said that suigetsu was as strong as sabusa. Kisame said that suigetsu was second to zabusa in the art of murder, and many called him "the second coming of zabusa momochi". Being second to zabusa in the art of murder is by no means something to take lightly. I still give suigetsu the edge in this one.

First off just b/c sasuke went to oro to gain strength does not equate to him being stronger then the other rookies. It just means he was being a baby and wanted strength through forbidden techniques.
And neji's byakugan means he can see the enemy but that does not mean he is making eye contact. This field of vision allows him to escape the sharingan.
As for sasuke's sword, kaiten should make short of that then giving neji an opportunity to palm him. As witnessed by hizashi, kaiten can grow to be enormously big. Now that neji is a jonin and was training w/ him one can expect his kaiten to be that strong too.

Now for lee, juugo had a chance to attack killerbee while he was distracted but KB still got away. Lee is at least as fast as bee meaning juugo won't get a hit in. And w/ hidden lotus and multiple punches and kicks and juugo will go down. Sure he can use a gate, maybe gate 1 or 2 but they won't wear him down like some believe

Can u post the link w/ the zabuza inference. And it seems suigetsu can't reform often. I mean in his water form, one blast from bee and he was immobilized.

[kkck]

First off just b/c sasuke went to oro to gain strength does not equate to him being stronger then the other rookies. It just means he was being a baby and wanted strength through forbidden techniques.

Thats like half true. He went to be trained by orochimanu, a sannin. He left to be taught by one of the stronger guys around. oro just happened to use forbidedn techniques. Anyways I dont think sasuke would have got the crazy results he got from oro had he stayed in the leaf. oro in his own twisted way is a good teacher.
Besides its not like sasuke didnt train his ass of or had an easy time during his training.

And neji's byakugan means he can see the enemy but that does not mean he is making eye contact. This field of vision allows him to escape the sharingan.
As for sasuke's sword, kaiten should make short of that then giving neji an opportunity to palm him. As witnessed by hizashi, kaiten can grow to be enormously big. Now that neji is a jonin and was training w/ him one can expect his kaiten to be that strong too.

That really depends on how literal you take the eye contact thing. I think that for this particular topic its better to let the manga reveal some facts first, because we are not going to get anywhere.
As for the kaite, yes it is an excellent offensive and defensive move, but sasuke has the means to protect himself from it. First sharingan can predict neji will start spinning. Second, sharingan can see chakra, so if sasuke is smart enough he could prevent damage from this technique. Who knows, maybe some of his more concentrated attacks can get through it..

Now for lee, juugo had a chance to attack killerbee while he was distracted but KB still got away. Lee is at least as fast as bee meaning juugo won't get a hit in. And w/ hidden lotus and multiple punches and kicks and juugo will go down. Sure he can use a gate, maybe gate 1 or 2 but they won't wear him down like some believe

How do you know bee is as fast as b? He could be, but IMO the odds as pretty much againts him. B has proven to be one of the strongest dudes in the manga, for all we know he could manhandle kakashi with no problems...
You make it sound as if lee would get an easy win. I still think lee could win only by opening a decent amount of gates (3 minimum).

Can u post the link w/ the zabuza inference. And it seems suigetsu can't reform often. I mean in his water form, one blast from bee and he was immobilized.

Ahhh you made me look for the link
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/353/016/
You make it sound as if that one blast was a measly exploding tag or a rasengan, but in reality it was more than enough to destroy a village... It is a feat in itself that suigetsu is alive considering the blast from 4tailednaruto could have killed orochimaru...

[DarkManSharingan32]

Why the hell is lee being so underrated. He is f-ing fast. His puches are hard too w/o the gates. And where does it say that juugo can use CS for speed. Look at jirobo, was he fast? No, so don't go saying CS can increase speed. It is use to increase chakra nothing more. Lee's attacks are deadly whether u like it or not. Had it not been for the sand gaara would have lost bad and juugo is in no way close to the defense and strength of gaara and his sand. And the effects of gates don't really wear down lee until he is up to the 6th one or the 5th, can't remember. And w/ the time skil he may have more control over his gate

No one is underestimating Lee. But his speed thus far has not been tested among the greats.

Sasuke matched his speed in part 1, and for all intents and purposes is probably still faster now.

And we were talking about Juugo's ability to form his body into whatever he needs at the moment.

But I think you forget how chakra works...
You put it in the directed area, and you can move it faster/stronger.

Now what happens if he puts that chakra in this legs?

Now back to tenten vs suigetsu. Where is it mentioned that suigetsu is on par w/ zabuza? Suigetsu needs chakra to reform and w/ the explosive that tenten has, it will be hard for him to keep doing that. Not only that the heat will dry up suigetsu possibly killing him

So heat evaporates his skin?
Where does that come in?

I would imagine the heat from the Hachi-Blast would be good enough to kill him...

But you're right... some explosive notes will do the trick.
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But on a more serious note. We can guess Suigetsu has some speed, and some definite strength... but beyond that, we can't really tell.

Ten-ten has only been in a few battles... but we know she has to summon he main weapons. Does she have enough time? Maybe.

But I don't think she's going to be spamming explosive notes against a person she knows nothing about.... and with her teammates nearby.

And i think we can all concede this...if Suigetsu gets near a water source... you can kiss Ten-ten goodbye.

Neji vs Sasuke. I don't think that gen will work on neji. Neji jas 360 degree of vision and knows about the gen powers of sharigan. W/ his ability he will not be making eye contact. As for amaretsu, that will be the tough one. But can neji see the chakra forming in front of him and escape quickly? Perhaps, Remember the byakugan has better seeing powers than the sharingan. And sasuke's sword is not going to help him against neji, neji has kaiten and can fire chakra blasts from his palm which disrupts one' chakra flow. One touch and ur screwed. And given how skilled neji is, he should get at least one hit on sasuke

It doesn't matter if you know if a Genjutsu is coming or not...
It matters that you know what to do, once your in it.

There is a case to be made for perfect chakra control... but there are no substitutes for experience. It's hard to make a case that Neji has even been under the full force of a Genjutsu as strong as Sasuke can muster... and the TIME it takes for the realization of a Genjutsu, as well as the time to dispel it, gives Sasuke more than a edge in battle.


There is no escaping Amaterasu. You can only hope that something else gets in the way. Otherwise... it will chase him down until it consumes him.

Attacking Neji with his sword... forcing him to Kaiten, and then using a major fire jutsu, or even Amaterasu is a great strategy. The spin cant exactly be stopped upon request... as we learned from his fight with Kidoumaru.

It's hard for Neji to flow in and out of ranges, and it's hard to know how strong Kuushou really is. (All it did really was push Kisame back further.) It's going to take direct blows from Neji to take Sasuke down... and honestly, Sasuke has probably the most well rounded Mid-range jutsu gammot of most ninjas in the series.

I think Sasuke takes this one on one battle... but he's likely to get help eventually... which is enough to put Neji down.

(Honestly... this is a fight (Canon) I would LOVE to see, personally. I want to see what else these Hyuuga can do.)

[Forever_Melody]

That blast shows that Suigetsu can be damaged from physical attacks, just means those said attacks won't be fatal to him in the generic sense. Also, Suigetsu's effectiveness is reliant on the presence of water around him. Remember how he had to constantly stop to drink water during Hebi's travels?

IMO his "water body" isn't self sustaining and he has to drink to maintain the water levels, which IMO means there is probably a limit to how much water he can use to reform his body, hence when he reaches that limit, he ends up in the state show by the Hachibichi fight.

Mind you this is but a personal assumption, but it seems to make sense with the facts presented in the manga.

Suigetsu is not totally immune to physical attacks, otherwise it'd just be kind of overpowered lol XD

[ninjabot]

^My opinion on that is that it depends on whether he's actively controlling his physical form at the time. If he were to become a puddle and remain stationary, I don't see him taking damage. But if he were in moving water-man form then the chakra keeping him stable could probably be manipulated and cause fatigue and pain.

Opinion of course.

[Forever_Melody]

True, I admit if he became a puddle, wouldn't take much to make him keep that form lol, but in battle, he can't just stay a puddle, we're assuming he's reforming after every hit he's taking(similarly as in the Hachibichi fight) therefore, it would take a toll on him eventually I think. The question is really how long he can maintain this seeming form of invulnerability.

[Marq]

It's literally one sided, why bother with this poll. It's all just, Sasuke pwns everyone. Not to sound like an ***hole, but literally every poll I've seen, ends up the same. Much as I want to see a Hyugga against an Uchiha, Kishi didn't even bother expanding the abilites of the Hyugga, so it's a moot point. No offense.

[Shaunlim]

Juugo has no problem catching up to Sasuke's speed with his Eyes... and with the several speed boosting agents Juugo can CREATE with his CS, Lee, at least for period of time... can lose to both Strength and Speed to Juugo.

Lee isn't just going to take Juugo down with Punches and Kicks... he's going to have to land something definitive, and his ONLY definitive attacks come with opening the gates.

As we have already seen... it takes an AMAZING amount of power to take down someone with a CS ability. And Juugo, who is the source for those abilities... should expect to be the hardest to take down. Lee loses.. much in the same way he lost to Gaara (excepts Juugo WILL hit Lee).

This is a Team Battle. There is no guarantee that Sasuke will have to deal with an attack from Ten-Ten, and vice versa. This is not a battle of three one-on-one fights... otherwise you could just take that argument and make three separate threads if you so choose.

1. Lee's attack aren't exactly weak either. Without the gates, even his kicks and punches would equate to something. Even Gai could punch a nin through a wall. I don't see why Lee who worship Gai didn't train up to that level.

2. This battle of three is just to show how members from each team can handle the other. Besides, they could also split them up. If it really comes to a team battle, then Team Gai has the advantage of experience as well.

That makes no sense. If it can't block the attack, that means the attack will go through, meaning Neji will be charred to death. Kaiten can't defend against Amaterasu, because Amaterasu will continue to exist until either Sasuke removes it, or a week has passed. If Neji by some impossible feat manages to hold off Amaterasu with Kaiten for a second, it will simply continue pushing against the sphere until Sasuke chooses to stop it. Neji can't defend against Amaterasu directly.

Likewise, he can't run from it. Sasuke couldn't even do it with CS2 activated, and he and Neji's speed are ranked the same. Meaning, Neji alone can't escape OR defend against Amaterasu.



When fighting an opponent who you can't catch, you simply let them come to you. Lee runs in for a direct punch that is shrugged off. If Juugo grabs him at that exact moment, Lee would have to go Gates to break his hold. And Juugo will reach CS2 way faster than Lee can unlock a gate, meaning a fatal blow from that point is entirely possible. And Kimimaro couldn't hit Lee because he was moving erratically because of Suiken. Lee wasn't moving fast enough to avoid Kimimaro's attacks, he was just confusing him by acting silly. That's the entire point of Drunken Kung-fu.



http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/360/08/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/384/19/

Also, to clear up the whole "one blow from Neji equals dead Sasuke", you have to understand that every one of those blows will be moving in slow motion, directly in front of him. Also, Sasuke doesn't have to rely on taijutsu at close range. Neji would have to break through an onslaught of shuriken and ninjutsu just to get a chance to hit Sasuke, as nothing he can do at long-range is capable of finishing Saske off.

And one more thing about "avoiding eye contact": when you're directly infront of your opponent, trying your hardest to find an oppening, you're not gonna avert your eyes from them for fear of not knowing when the attack will come. As Lee, Neji, Or Ten Ten attempt a direct blow Sasuke is free to move his body in a position where they have no choice but to look in his eyes.

1. Kaiten releases chakra and forms a type of sphere. That is what would protect him from Amateratsu. After that, Neji stops Kaiten = no chakra = nothing for Amateratsu to burn. Sure it burns for one week but it needs something to burn for it to work. It doesn't burn air for one week . This can be repeated as many times as Sasuke wants. Ending would be him running out of chakra and dying. Besides, one use itself leaves him open for Neji's attack. One attack is potentially fatal. Remember that, Amateratsu hits only what the eye is focus on. If Sasuke can't see Neji inside his globe, then Amateratsu won't get to him. This can be seen in the Itachi vs Sasuke case.

2. Sasuke like I have said a thousand times, basically let himself get hit so he can prepare Kirin. To trick Itachi !!. Not to mention the fact that Neji can still defend using Kaiten.

3. I said NORMAL. Not in druken state. Even Kimimaru was having difficulty handling Lee for a while. Besides, being fast doesn't mean like Sasuke which runs straight ahead towards your opponent and attack. That's Sasuke fast. Lee and Gai's type of fast is their response and everything else with it. Their taijutsu proness type of fast. Besides, Lee doesn't run at full speed and attacks ahead on.
Only a person with Sharingan could do it as Lee said before. Lee would be running in circles before attack attack Juugo.
Another thing is that the first gate doesn't seems to take a long time to activate compared to the rest of the gates.

4. Naruto's punches maybe slow mo for the Sharingan to follow but Neji's hand speed is SO MUCH more faster than that. Another is that, even though he could see it, doesn't mean he could avoid it all. And even if he does, a little graze is enough to hurt him. About the ninjutsu and shuriken, Kaiten takes all of them no problem. It's a ultimate defense type of jutsu.

5. Your forgetting that Neji can see 360 degree even with his eyes looking somewhere else. Sasuke would be wasting his time trying his genjutsu and wondering why it is failing.

6. Another thing to note is, all of them have trained under Gai. Who's to say that they didn't learn how to avoid eye contact. Remember the fact that Team Gai has info on Sasuke while Sasuke don't even know anything about each of them. They have all seen him fight as well !!

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No one is underestimating Lee. But his speed thus far has not been tested among the greats.

Sasuke matched his speed in part 1, and for all intents and purposes is probably still faster now.

And we were talking about Juugo's ability to form his body into whatever he needs at the moment.

But I think you forget how chakra works...
You put it in the directed area, and you can move it faster/stronger.

Now what happens if he puts that chakra in this legs?



So heat evaporates his skin?
Where does that come in?

I would imagine the heat from the Hachi-Blast would be good enough to kill him...

But you're right... some explosive notes will do the trick.
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But on a more serious note. We can guess Suigetsu has some speed, and some definite strength... but beyond that, we can't really tell.

Ten-ten has only been in a few battles... but we know she has to summon he main weapons. Does she have enough time? Maybe.

But I don't think she's going to be spamming explosive notes against a person she knows nothing about.... and with her teammates nearby.

And i think we can all concede this...if Suigetsu gets near a water source... you can kiss Ten-ten goodbye.



It doesn't matter if you know if a Genjutsu is coming or not...
It matters that you know what to do, once your in it.

There is a case to be made for perfect chakra control... but there are no substitutes for experience. It's hard to make a case that Neji has even been under the full force of a Genjutsu as strong as Sasuke can muster... and the TIME it takes for the realization of a Genjutsu, as well as the time to dispel it, gives Sasuke more than a edge in battle.


There is no escaping Amaterasu. You can only hope that something else gets in the way. Otherwise... it will chase him down until it consumes him.

Attacking Neji with his sword... forcing him to Kaiten, and then using a major fire jutsu, or even Amaterasu is a great strategy. The spin cant exactly be stopped upon request... as we learned from his fight with Kidoumaru.

It's hard for Neji to flow in and out of ranges, and it's hard to know how strong Kuushou really is. (All it did really was push Kisame back further.) It's going to take direct blows from Neji to take Sasuke down... and honestly, Sasuke has probably the most well rounded Mid-range jutsu gammot of most ninjas in the series.

I think Sasuke takes this one on one battle... but he's likely to get help eventually... which is enough to put Neji down.

(Honestly... this is a fight (Canon) I would LOVE to see, personally. I want to see what else these Hyuuga can do.)

1. His stats in speed is higher or as high as Sasuke(can't remember). So that means he is rather fast since people have been boasting Sasuke's speed as godlike.

2. Even with all that transformation ability, Hachibi took him out without breakin a sweat. It's not going to be useful against Lee as well since he is basically a protege in Taijutsu.

3. Neji's 360 basically grants him the ability to avoid doujutsu genjutsu completely.

4. Kaiten basically is capable of protecting him from Amateratsu.

5. Kaiten can be stop at his own request. It is his jutsu. I don't see any reason why Neji can't stop if he wants to. Just refer to the Neji vs Naruto. He was able to stop when he wanted to.

[DarkManSharingan32]

1. His stats in speed is higher or as high as Sasuke(can't remember). So that means he is rather fast since people have been boasting Sasuke's speed as godlike.

The stats to some extent are relative... I believe Sasuke has a 4.5 in Speed... and then you add his shunshin ability on top of that...

2. Even with all that transformation ability, Hachibi took him out without breakin a sweat. It's not going to be useful against Lee as well since he is basically a protege in Taijutsu.

Lee is not a Jinchuuriki... as they are among the strongest beings on the earth. And of course it will be useful against Lee... it's not as if he's not susceptible to a kick to the face.

3. Neji's 360 basically grants him the ability to avoid doujutsu genjutsu completely.

So, because he can see nearly all the way around him... He can stop chakra from goin into his brain and altering the way it flows?

And how do you propose Neji will fight if he's not going to fight Sasuke directly?

4. Kaiten basically is capable of protecting him from Amateratsu.

No it can't. As long as Sasuke keeps his eyes on the Kaiten.... the flames will not extinguish.... and when the kaiten stops, you have a melted Neji.

That is IF Neji can stand the heat that long.

5. Kaiten can be stop at his own request. It is his jutsu. I don't see any reason why Neji can't stop if he wants to. Just refer to the Neji vs Naruto. He was able to stop when he wanted to.

Yes he can Initiate stopping it at will...
I mean that he can't stop it immediately. it always take some time for the Kaiten to completely stop.

But it doesn't matter. He'd still get cooked from Amaterasu anyways.

[kkck]

I dont think just exploding tags are enough to beat suigetsu. In a explosion what causes the most damage is the shockwave it produces, not the actual fire. Since suigetsu can change into water he probably will be a little more resistant to this than a normal ninja. Most likely there is a limit to how much he can regenerate, but at least at first he shouldnt do so bad. As for the fire thing, it could work and evaporate him, but that would also depend on how much water there is around him which he can use to protect himself and for hs attacks. If suigetsu has enough water around him to use his attack freely I dont see he shouldnt be able to beat tenten or lee oO.

[Shaunlim]

The stats to some extent are relative... I believe Sasuke has a 4.5 in Speed... and then you add his shunshin ability on top of that...



Lee is not a Jinchuuriki... as they are among the strongest beings on the earth. And of course it will be useful against Lee... it's not as if he's not susceptible to a kick to the face.



So, because he can see nearly all the way around him... He can stop chakra from goin into his brain and altering the way it flows?

And how do you propose Neji will fight if he's not going to fight Sasuke directly?



No it can't. As long as Sasuke keeps his eyes on the Kaiten.... the flames will not extinguish.... and when the kaiten stops, you have a melted Neji.

That is IF Neji can stand the heat that long.



Yes he can Initiate stopping it at will...
I mean that he can't stop it immediately. it always take some time for the Kaiten to completely stop.

But it doesn't matter. He'd still get cooked from Amaterasu anyways.

1. Shunshin is available to Lee as well. You make it sound like Sasuke is the only one that has it. Don't tell me that Sasuke is better in using Shunshin compared to Lee as that is just pure speculation. Not to mention that Lee still has his sake and gates to add.


2. Hachibi wasn't exactly using the bijyuu's power when fighting Juugo. Besides, Lee can avoid Juugo's attack as well. It's not like Juugo is good in taijutsu like Kimimaru was. He is just an average taijutsu user with brute strength.

3. No but his 360 degree helps him to avoid direct eye-contact. And yes, his chakra control makes genjutsu rather useless against him.

4. Keep the his eye on the Kaiten = the flame doesn't go out ?? That's just the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. For that to happen, he would be using Amateratsu continously. Let's see how long he would last then. About the heat, when was Amateratsu said to be that hot ??. It was just said to inextinguishable and it burns for 7 days and 7 nights. Even if it is hot, I'm pretty sure Neji can outlast Sasuke's chakra capacity to use Amateratsu without stop.

5. Doesn't matter if it even takes time to stop. The fact is once it is stop, Amateratsu won't have anything to burn. Thus it would disappear. If Sasuke repeats, Neji does the same. Bottom line here is Sasuke's chakra capacity won't last.

6. About getting cooked from Amateratsu, that's just your opinion and speculation. Don't make it sound like a fact. Seriously, if every debate with the Uchihas are going to be how Amateratsu owns everything, then we might as well not debate as it is getting pointless.

7.http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/390/03/ <---- this pretty much explains how Kaiten is capable of protecting Neji from Amateratsu which is non-spammable.

8. Kaiten can be used rather fast as shown ---> http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/101/04/

9. Kaiten is some sort of barrier which is able to protect Neji ----> http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/101/04/

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I dont think just exploding tags are enough to beat suigetsu. In a explosion what causes the most damage is the shockwave it produces, not the actual fire. Since suigetsu can change into water he probably will be a little more resistant to this than a normal ninja. Most likely there is a limit to how much he can regenerate, but at least at first he shouldnt do so bad. As for the fire thing, it could work and evaporate him, but that would also depend on how much water there is around him which he can use to protect himself and for hs attacks. If suigetsu has enough water around him to use his attack freely I dont see he shouldnt be able to beat tenten or lee oO.

I don't really see Suigetsu losing to Tenten either. But she could keep him busy until Neji is free to help her. Lee IMO isn't going to help much against Suigetsu unless he actually manage to attack him non-stop to the point that he couldn't even regenerate which is almost impossible. Though if TenTen have enough explosive, she could pull it off and drain Suigetsu.

[DarkManSharingan32]

1. Shunshin is available to Lee as well. You make it sound like Sasuke is the only one that has it. Don't tell me that Sasuke is better in using Shunshin compared to Lee as that is just pure speculation. Not to mention that Lee still has his sake and gates to add.


2. Hachibi wasn't exactly using the bijyuu's power when fighting Juugo. Besides, Lee can avoid Juugo's attack as well. It's not like Juugo is good in taijutsu like Kimimaru was. He is just an average taijutsu user with brute strength.

3. No but his 360 degree helps him to avoid direct eye-contact. And yes, his chakra control makes genjutsu rather useless against him.

4. Keep the his eye on the Kaiten = the flame doesn't go out ?? That's just the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. For that to happen, he would be using Amateratsu continously. Let's see how long he would last then. About the heat, when was Amateratsu said to be that hot ??. It was just said to inextinguishable and it burns for 7 days and 7 nights. Even if it is hot, I'm pretty sure Neji can outlast Sasuke's chakra capacity to use Amateratsu without stop.

5. Doesn't matter if it even takes time to stop. The fact is once it is stop, Amateratsu won't have anything to burn. Thus it would disappear. If Sasuke repeats, Neji does the same. Bottom line here is Sasuke's chakra capacity won't last.

6. About getting cooked from Amateratsu, that's just your opinion and speculation. Don't make it sound like a fact. Seriously, if every debate with the Uchihas are going to be how Amateratsu owns everything, then we might as well not debate as it is getting pointless.

7.http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/390/03/ <---- this pretty much explains how Kaiten is capable of protecting Neji from Amateratsu which is non-spammable.

8. Kaiten can be used rather fast as shown ---> http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/101/04/

9. Kaiten is some sort of barrier which is able to protect Neji ----> http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/101/04/


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I don't really see Suigetsu losing to Tenten either. But she could keep him busy until Neji is free to help her. Lee IMO isn't going to help much against Suigetsu unless he actually manage to attack him non-stop to the point that he couldn't even regenerate which is almost impossible. Though if TenTen have enough explosive, she could pull it off and drain Suigetsu.

1) Shunshin is a jutsu, not extreme speed. Lee also noted that Sasuke surpassed him during the chuunin exams...


2) It's a good fight, in my eyes. I'm not saying one will absolutely dominate the other.

3) It does help him, but Even if Neji looks away (like anyone else)... that still leaves him open because his attacking style is straight forward.

If Sasuke keeps his range, and closes when he has an opportunity...

And now you are speculating my friend... it is not stated that genjutsu is not effective on a Hyuuga. he would still have to re-work the chakra in his brain... it's not as if he can just ignore it.

4-9) No. Once the Amaterasu is fired... it continues to burn until whatever is sighted on is destroyed.

And you seem to be forgetting the part where it DOESNT GO OUT.

After all Neji's spinning... the Black Flame will still be there waiting for him.

The Kaiten offers him temporary protection at most.
(And all a Kaiten is, is emitted chakra.)

[Raizen]

1) Shunshin is a jutsu, not extreme speed. Lee also noted that Sasuke surpassed him during the chuunin exams...


2) It's a good fight, in my eyes. I'm not saying one will absolutely dominate the other.

3) It does help him, but Even if Neji looks away (like anyone else)... that still leaves him open because his attacking style is straight forward.

If Sasuke keeps his range, and closes when he has an opportunity...

And now you are speculating my friend... it is not stated that genjutsu is not effective on a Hyuuga. he would still have to re-work the chakra in his brain... it's not as if he can just ignore it.

4-9) No. Once the Amaterasu is fired... it continues to burn until whatever is sighted on is destroyed.

And you seem to be forgetting the part where it DOESNT GO OUT.

After all Neji's spinning... the Black Flame will still be there waiting for him.

The Kaiten offers him temporary protection at most.
(And all a Kaiten is, is emitted chakra.)

1. Lee never stated sasuke surpassed him. All he show was amazement that sasuke got to this level so quickly. Even gai didn't say sasuke surpassed lee. Sasuke only became as fast as lee w/ weights off.

3. Byakugan allows him to see the enemy w/o lookin at their eyes. Meaning no genjutsu

4. Shaunlim got a good point. Unlike sasuke neji can keep kaiten going as long as he wants. Sasuke was in pain after using amaretsu for a few seconds. If neji project a huge kaiten, all sasuke has is the ability to focus on the kaiten, once the kaiten is gone amaretsu stops due to nothing to burn. It is not going to be floating in the air. If sasuke uses amaretsu he is screwed, he can't keep focus very long, only a few seconds, and then he closes his eyes in pain while neji can keep using kaiten. Then attack sasuke when he is f-ed up