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We still need to see how haki works to figure out the top tiers. I think we can assume Kuma is not the most powerful person in the world. If it wasn't possible to negate his ability, I think he would be, it's essentially a one-hit KO on anyone. I think there is some mechanism by which you could say "No thanks, Kuma. I'll stay here for now."
Last edited by RichardMNixon; November 16, 2008 at 04:02 PM.
There isn't, because that's not how his DF works.
does anyone else think that luffy is shichibukai level after he killed 2 of them and can clearly beat hancock since her powers dont work on him
Clearly beat hancock? LOL
Hancock has been acknowledge as arguably the strongest kuja, her first bounty was 80 million and just with that she became a shichibukai. Not only that but she is able to use haki, and it has been implied she has a lot of haki. Also the only power hancock has that didnt work on luffy is the ability to turn people into stone. Her bullet kiss worked quite well and she probably has other abilities.
Unfortunately boa hasnt really done anything yet, she has barely moved a finger, it is way to soon to asume she is weak. I wouldnt be surprise in the least bit if she turns out to be among the strongest shichibukai, hell I would be disapointed if she isnt. Given everything shown in the manga so far, I wouldnt be surprise if luffy doesnt stand a chance in hell of beating her. Guess we have to wait and see, but still, saying luffy can clearly beat hancock is seriously understimating her.
As soon as Luffy has mastered haki, I even believe he is almost on top tier lvl. Also there isn't such a "Shichi lv", since there are some weaklings (Croco) among them as well as some top tier dogs (Mwk).
About Hancock, seeing how Oda is building her up, I believe she is one of the weaker ones.
You suggested that there is a way that you can say to Kuma that you don't feel like going anywhere. And I'm saying that his paws repel every object, be it a rock or an ice-cream truck or a man. His question doesn't have anything to do with it.
So, if Kuma touches you with his paws, you're gonna fly until you reach an obstacle.
@blackhair: Don't let Oda pull a fast one one you. The way she behaves doesn't need to have anything to do with her strenght in battle.
On Doflamingo's power, have we ever seen him control more than one person at a time? My impression was that while killing Bellamy he only had control of Sarquiss.
Do Devil Fruit Powers Scale with their User?
Edit: Got moved to the Devil Fruit thread, link still works.
Last edited by RichardMNixon; November 17, 2008 at 12:21 PM.
While the puppeteer thing is pretty ridiculous in most cases, I don't think what we've seen so far from Doflamingo is very scary. The people he controls move quite slowly while fighting against his power the whole time (thought maybe that wasn't Oda's intention? you can't really judge their speed in the manga), and I'm still not sure he can control more than one person. I hope there's more to him that we haven't seen yet. I'm judging his power based primarily on his bounty, his influence, and his attitude (attacking marines in Mariejoa).
However, on the other hand her strongest subordinates (her sisters) were taken down by Luffy. Usually if the Boss is damn strong, the protagonist would have trouble beating her best subordinates. But this was not the case, Luffy was taking both of them at the same time, he was also able to terrify them with his haki. Also Oda is making her into a pathetic character.
- She was not suprised to see Luffy's speed (G2) and she was also not surprised after Mamongo countered her ability with pain, which let me conclude she must possess a rly impressive fighting ability/power/strength.
- With introducing her, haki was more "specialized". It is also known, that she can use haki. Adding that to her natural fighting ability, would make her apart from her devil fruit damn strong.
- She was one of the later introduced fighting character (Shichi), thus I believe she must be strong.
Well, Im just saying things have changed a bit in the recent chapters. I still think she is strong, but not as I used to think at the beginning. Anyway, Im putting her lower than the monster trio atm. <- I have no basics to say that, just the impression I got from her, basically my mere opinion.
I'm not sure abouz Bellamy, but I'm pretty sure Doflamingo was controlling only one of them.
There was really no need for a new topic on this.
It's true that there are different levels of DF development. But Kuma's deflection is an elemental thing for his fruit. Just like Ace's fire burns people, Foxy's rays slow objects down or Buggy splits his body parts.
So, he deflects any objects with his paws.
Now, deflecting himself around and deflecting pain and fatigue or making bomb out of compressed air are different things, and he probably had to make a lot of effort to be able to use his DF in that way.
What I'm saying is that nobody, no matter how strong will he has, can't avoid being thrown away by those paws. And anything that can stop the flight is an obstacle, as we have already seen.
Now, I think it is possible that someone could avoid being deflected by those paws, but it would require a tremendous amount of body strenght.