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Translations: Bleach 595 (2)
Bankai full power both of them. No illusion from Aizen= old man yamma pwning Aizen....
If there is no illusion, there isn't a chance I see Aizen having.
why the f would there be no illusion? that's Aizen's zanpakuto.
i'm pretty sure his bankai will only amplify that power. it will only make it worse.
Aizen is teh pwnage.
Yama is teh overhyped.
Yama just SHikai's EVERYTHING.
He doesn't need to aim he just fire's it all.
Bankai's are out of the battle for obvious reasons.
Going from what we saw already, I'd say Aizen would win. He's really resourceful (seen when he uses his zanpakutou ability creatively against Komamura), and even without illusions he should take down Yamamoto through sheer intelligence. Yamamoto seems more of a leader in heart than in mind. All we've seen is his short temper and his tendency to attack without a particular strategy in mind (the fire wall). He's a straightforward person, but that makes him vulnerable to Aizen's trickery.
in shonen mangas I have read, very often the figurehead leader dies before the protagonist beats the antagonist (so in terms of say... naruto, sandaime hokage already died while the fight against the "bad guys" rages on.)
Yama has the greatest fire zan, sure. But Aizen has the most powerful ability we've seen. Illusions you can't avoid.
Think about it. Aizen could make the illusion that he is on fire when he could be in a totally different place watching Yama get exhausted fighting an illusion.
Therefore Aizen wins. :<
Only way Yama could win is if Aizen makes a stupid mistake like being overconfident and actually appearing in-person before Yama and Yama deciding to do a quick kill and just go bankai and burn the entire Earth or something.
If Aizen isn't even attempting to get out of Yamamoto's fire shield. I fail to see him winning if he can't get out of that.
Aizen isn't attempting to get out of the fire shield cause he doesn't care about it. At least that's what I believe.
It's like when you are walking in the middle of the road. If there are no cars or if there is only one car at a far-away distance chances are you won't need to race across the road to avoid a car. You just walk.
I believe Aizen doesn't care about the fire. Thus he just stands there watching. Imagining everyone's shocked faces when he reveals yet another twist.
I don't see why Aizen's shikai was taken out...That's putting a huge handicap on him. Witout it, all he has is destructive arts. However, Aizen can't use his shikai is no one is looking at him can he?
Honestly who gives a fuck about illusions, thats only useful if the target in question has to attack him directly, an attack that can attack a big amount of space at a time doesn't need to aim they just spam it all over the place.
Yama has the AOE attack of Bleach.
yea but...it's also just...fire....
not to cross manga lines or imply that same rules apply, (which means i understand that they're different and i don't wanna hear shit about how they're different and don't match. i know. i'm playing.) but if i've learned anything at all from Naruto, it's that fire doesn't do shit. countless ninja have been seen being nailed by fire jutsus or engulfed in the flames from one, and they always end up fine.
anyways, Naruto aside (i used to enjoy it, but i find that it really sucks my junk this past year O_O), fire, and elemental power in general, usually isn't very formiddable in anime/manga and even video games. it's always dwarfed by pure energy or physical, kinetic, harmful and destructive abilities, and non-elemental magics (GIGANTASAUR Final Fantasy fan ).
i was never impressed with Yama from his shikai reveal onward. he's hyped up and talked about as being Godly, and i agree, he probably his insanely powerful and a hell of an experienced, skilled fighter, but his zanpakuto just seems...like not that big of a deal to me. none of the elemental stuff does.
i dunno, we'll see. when he actually messes someone up with it, i'll fall in line and admit having been an idiot.
I'm going to ignore their Bankai. We can't argue with those when we don't know what they are.
The main sticking point is whether or not Yama can circumvent the illusions. Shinji showed us it might be possible, but that was back when he was just a VC. Also, Aizen never said he could manipulate ones spiritual sensors. Just the five senses. Maybe that hole is the loophole Yama could exploit, as Aizen has mostly used his Shikai to hide his actual position in battle.
Without a way around KS, though, it's Aizen for sure (again, without Bankai).
@Gigantor: Does it really matter if Aizen uses Illusions? Yammato just creates a literal Fire Barrier around himself and then expands outwards, Illusion or no Aizen's getting hit. Then Yammato just AOE's the place until he gets lucky. Of course this is all going by the fact that they're not fighting in a place that is like infinite length or something.
@Rya: Remember how Ice works in the Bleachverse?